...invading Iraq.
He's trying to act like it was the president's idea in the first place. Wolfie pushed invading Iraq from day one to the point of distraction from the job in Afghanistan.
Yes, we all know the invasion was based on a hunch.Keep in mind, that's all we ever had to work on.
We must find a way to keep terrorist from getting their hands on jet fuel.
By the way, the inspectors correctly concluded that Iraq had no weapons of mass destruction. Here begins the birth of lies.
I'm sorry, did I say Paul Wolfowitz? I meant to say Bill Clinton. My bad.
Bill Clinton [quoted here] , "His Side of The Story," Time, 6/28/04.
Oh, and you Blix fans. His final report stated there wer tons, t-o-n-s, of previously verifed VX that remained unaccounted for by Iraq.
Had Bill Clinton invaded Iraq, you'd have a point.
If that's how he felt and still feels, I disagree and always have.
Now, i'm sure Iran has tons of previously varified (chemical name to be inserted here as WH sees fit)
Maybe Clinton will say anything for a blowjob.
Also it's not clear if the context is invading and occupying Iraq or just going back to the UN to demand more inspections. I wish I could say the Bush administration is above taking things out of context, but they aren't and neither is Yoni.
Give him a break, I guess. Afterall, yoni thinks god sent bush to save our lives. This must be tough times, indeed.
He said it in 2004. That would be after we invaded Iraq.
There's your context.
On hunches, and "we thought",
3000+ US military dead,
1000s more dead to come,
the M/E desstabilized.
"lot of stuff unaccounted for"
absence of evidence turned out to be evidence of absence.
Nothing was there. The intelligence was MASSIVELY faulty.
The intelligence community KNEW there were serious doubts about every single bull "WMD" that the WH said were there, but those doubts were totally suppressed.
you, Wolfowitz, may you join Saddam in .
Keep trying your desparate "revisionism" all you want, Yoni, but your boys ed up bad. The biggest geo-political up in the history of USA.
And after they ed up bad, they read the post-invasion scenarios wrong and mis-managed the war they didn't even foresee.
I guess you didn't see my correction.
Besides, what about Hussein's failure to abide by any of the provision of the '91 cease fire agreement?
How 'bout his continued threats against Kuwait?
Or, there were the several hundred incidents of him firing at our aircraft over the past 12 years.
Throw in his defiance of over a dozen UNSC resolutions, mass murder of Shi'ites in the south, committing the two most destructive environmental crimes in history [draining the wetlands and setting fire to the Kuwaiti oil fields].
Not to mention the rape rooms, torture chambers, and summary executions and, well, I think you've got plenty of justification for regime change.
Not accounting for WMDs after we were attacked on 9/11 was just the trigger, the straw that broke the camels back.
Oh yeah, and as tragic as the over 3,000 deaths are, if the war is justified -- and we obviously disagree on that point -- it is a miracle we have so few casaulties.
Compare this to any other military campaign in the history of warfare.
"what about Hussein's failure to abide by any of the provision of the '91 cease fire agreement?"
how was that so ing bad compared to what we have now?
"firing at our aircraft"
He didn't hit a single one in 12 years. yawn.
It was his country we were flying over, what would you do?
The Saddam situation wasn't good, but it was stable.
Saddam presented a counterweight to Iran. Now Iran is all over Iraq.
I'd trade Iraq Feb 03 in a millisecond for what dubya has produced since.
No ing contest.
Kick the ugly but non-threatening Saddam/Iraq down the road, even until he dies, and go concentrate on the REAL threats to the world, in Afghanistan, Iran, Syria, east African.
And where did Zarqawi -- along with other al Qaeda -- go after we invaded Afghanistan?
Where did Abu Nidal live?
What about them?Hopw about them? He wasn't in any position to invade Kuwait again. That's idiotic.How 'bout his continued threats against Kuwait?Hey, thanks for reminding us Saddam was under our thumbs militarily, that every time he locked a radar onto a plane, we were able to destroy that radar. Thanks.Or, there were the several hundred incidents of him firing at our aircraft over the past 12 years.Hah. We tolerated that for years when he was our boy. Don't make me get the Rumsfeld handshake pic.Throw in his defiance of over a dozen UNSC resolutions, mass murder of Shi'ites in the south, committing the two most destructive environmental crimes in history [draining the wetlands and setting fire to the Kuwaiti oil fields].
Not to mention the rape rooms, torture chambers, and summary executions and, well, I think you've got plenty of justification for regime change.It was the big excuse. Tha absolute worst one that turned out to be completely bogus. The one you tried to use ing Bill Clinton to support your completely failed argument that you can't let go.Not accounting for WMDs after we were attacked on 9/11 was just the trigger, the straw that broke the camels back.
Since only 118 were killed before "Mission Accomplished," that just proves just how weak Saddam's forces were and what a storm we created all in the name of nonexistent WMDs.
You mean failed military campaign.
"And where did Zarqawi -- along with other al Qaeda -- go after we invaded Afghanistan?
Where did Abu Nidal live?"
Who the cares/cared where they were? If they were in Iraq, they were there at Saddam's pleasure, and nobody has any evidence they were "operating" in a way that would threaten the USA.
Abu Nidal + al Zarqawi + whoever = 3000+ US military dead and total Iraq instability?
jihadist al Quaida had little if any presence, or effective operations, in Saddam's secular Iraq. The Saddam - Al Qaida co-operation was essentially non-extistent and ineffective as threat to USA.
Saddam's Iraq was secular, the al-Qaida was rabidly "religious". Perhaps Saddam let a few hang around in Iraq as long as he felt they were no threat to himself.
All these rat turds you keep bringing back amount to a pile of rat turds that don't justify invading Iraq, 3000+ US military dead, and the current M/E instability about which the US can do nothing. Iraq is lost.
The real reason for the Iraq war was the dream-y, other-worldly, ideological goal from the neo-cons and AEI of installing democracy in Iraq. THAT would never fly with anybody, so the WHIG cherry picked and hyped intelligence, all of which proved to be massively faulty, floated out one by one, each unconvincing, with dichkead claiming repeatedly that Saddam was connecte to WTC (even dubya said not true), until they decided WMD would be their #1 smokescreen LIE (hiding the democracy goal) that they would rest their case on (Powell mobile bio lab at UN) to get the UN "authorization" while suppressing all serious doubts. Powell's bull was as bogus as all the rest of their bull .
Democracy in Iraq wasn't the real goal. Iraq was important to the US because of its oil and Iraq's proximity to other oil countries.
All of the above is really moot now.
dubya has created a geo-political disaster, (try to defend that), in Iraq and can't fix it. The Surge is just more bull , ing around and killing time, and US militarhy, apparently "doing something", until dubya and head can escape the WH 20 Jan 09.
To repeat, letting the Iraq situation of Feb 03 continue indefinitely, even worsen, was infinitely better than what we have now.
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I thought Boutons didn't believe in ?
no yoni the proper context would be history of unecessary warfare
The real, but hidden, case for the war (bring American-style democracy to the Iraq) was bull , and never stood on its own.
The WHIG public "reasons" Yoni is STILL promoting were all bull .
Saddam was not a threat to the USA.
Saddam was not involved in the al-Quaida war on USA
The Iraq war, in the context of the the REAL war on terror, was/is/forever totally unjustified.
The 3000 deaths are totally unjustified because nothing has been/will be accomplished from the deaths. The US military has been abused and wasted in Iraq by the Repugs.
Not to mention the billions of $ that have been flushed down the drain and the loss of respect the US suffers with the rest of the world for this military adventure.
the u.s. shouldn't and doesn't give a what the rest of the world thinks. just like life in general. you shouldn't make you decisions to appease others. you have to do what is best for you and your country/family/etc.
And this war has done wonders for Americans
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