Rummy: Battle For Fallujah Not Last Big Battle In Iraq

[Useruser666]

Manny is the only one on track here. All of the NeoCons seem to think of Middle Easterners as just Americans in robes or something. Life is cheap to these people, and freedom is an anathema. I was watching a special on the U.A.E., supposedly one of our allies in the area. They still have slavery. They import young boys from other countries like Bangladesh and Pakistan to ride in their camel races. The boys sleep in tin shacks, are basicly starved to keep their weight down, and get no medical care. If they die, they die, and they frequently do. Meanwhile, the camels have swimming pools, get the best feed and on site veterinary care. This culture of the cheapness of human life goes back about 14 centuries, and isn't likely to change because we put some boots on the ground in Iraq. As soon as those boots leave, the embedded culture will return.

That's a pretty piss poor view of an entire region on people.

[exstatic]

Doesn't make it invalid. These are the people from the same region and same religion that drove three airplanes into buildings, killing thousands. Get it? They weren't the exception, more a mirror of their violent, misogynistic culture. They are different from us, WAY different.

Have you ever been out of the U.S., User?

[whottt]

exstatic is on record as saying they are savages incapable of living in a free society.

[Useruser666]

Doesn't make it invalid. These are the people from the same region and same religion that drove three airplanes into buildings, killing thousands. Get it? They weren't the exception, more a mirror of their violent, misogynistic culture. They are different from us, WAY different.

Have you ever been out of the U.S., User?

First off, LOL Whottt! Pounced on that quickly.

Secondly, yes I have been outside of the US. I don't think that really matters though. I think I believe your letting your opinion of these people degrade what you think our chances of succeding over there are. I truly believe there is only a small minority there who know they can't survive under a free democracy. Those are the people causing all the trouble. don't let them ruin this for everyone.

[Marcus Bryant]

No comment.

[JoeChalupa]

What!?!?!?!?

[Yonivore]

All this has been said before...

First about the Nazis...then the Japanese.

[exstatic]

The Nazis were not an embedded culture of 1400 years duration, they were a rogue regime in an economic climate that was ripe for totalitarianism. The Japanese were embedded for hundreds of years, but it took a ing century after Perry sailed into Tokyo harbor to drag them into civilization. I'd say that doesn't bode well for any Middle East democratization efforts before, say, 2150. Our so called "allies" in the region are some of the worst regimes in the world. How are we supposed to "reform" the bad guys when we support other cruel corrupt regimes in the area?

[Yonivore]

The Nazis were not an embedded culture of 1400 years duration, they were a rogue regime in an economic climate that was ripe for totalitarianism. The Japanese were embedded for hundreds of years, but it took a ing century after Perry sailed into Tokyo harbor to drag them into civilization. I'd say that doesn't bode well for any Middle East democratization efforts before, say, 2150. Our so called "allies" in the region are some of the worst regimes in the world. How are we supposed to "reform" the bad guys when we support other cruel corrupt regimes in the area?

I'm a "glass is half full" kind of person and I believe it will happen.

[whottt]

How are we supposed to "reform" the bad guys when we support other cruel corrupt regimes in the area?

From the beginning the Bush admin said alliances will change depending on the target, how hard is this to figure out?

EG: There was no way to get into Afghanistan without the aid of Pakistan.

And I wish people would stop ing saying we support some of the cruelist regimes in the area...We do business with many of them, so does every country in the world...who the says we are supposed to go and with the internal politic of every country in the world even when they are non hostile to their neighbors and us...we have no ability to do that.



Saudi? They have trillions of dollars invested in our country...they provide one quarter of the Worlds Oil...every country in the World does business with them.

We give aid to 99% of the countries in the world, hostile or otherwise and we are always encouraging them to westernize their ways. That doesn't mean we support corrupt regimes...

You think we say "here, have billions of dollars courtesy of us, use this money to keep a 40% uneployment 65% illiteracy rate, and foster apocolyptic religious movements"

Damn man.

[ChumpDumper]

So moral superiority is only an argument of convenience.

Understood.

[Yonivore]

So moral superiority is only an argument of convenience.

Understood.

We aligned with Stalin to beat Hitler...

Was that justified?