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I know I will get blasted but you have to try to trade manu before tp
why age and our point guard problem
tp has the most upside but manu has a shorter contract
manu still does have value
Let me start by saying that I dont think we should trade any of the big 3, but if we had to, I would rather trade Parker than Manu or Duncan...& even then it would have to be for a young PG..3 trades that make some sense, would be:
SA trades Parker & Oberto to Seattle for Ridnour & Rashard Lewis
or
SA trades Parker, Oberto & EWill to Chicago for Hinrich, Khrypa & PJ Brown
or if that last Chicago trade doesn't return enough
SA trades Parker, EWill, Oberto & Vaughn to Chicago for Hinrich, Nocioni & Brown.
I know I will get blasted but you have to try to trade manu before tp
why age and our point guard problem
tp has the most upside but manu has a shorter contract
manu still does have value
Agree with ducks. Have always said that we should trade Manu for a young wing player and/or picks. If we can get a first rounder and a second rounder for Manu or a good young player and a couple of second rounders for Manu, I would do it. Try Isiah and get him to release David Lee.
Not trying to be an ass but I wouldnt do any of those trades cause Parker is our future. No one trades an all-star guard who is 24 -25 and improving all the time for those players suggested. Hinrich aint all-star material yet. If theres any player on the Bulls roster that I like its Ben Gordon. That guys ceiling is much higher than Hinrich.
Anyone thinks Parker is our future is mental. Tony Parker is not a franchise player.
And Manu is?
Closer to one. The main difference is Parker would draw better offers.
The only way making Parker "available" would fit in with the current regime's plans is if they believe that would serve to motivate him. Otherwise, he is the future of the franchise. About the only thing worse for a team than being a lottery team is being a lottery team without a star to be the face of the franchise.
'The future of the franchise' my ass. The best Parker will ever be is second fiddle to a much greater player. The Spurs probably keep him, but not because he's a Top 50 player or something. His talents are seriously overblown here.
He's a NBA All-Star and easily the team's most marketable player. He counts a major European nation among his fanbase and has yet to reach his 25th birthday.
We can banter all types of trade scenarios around, but make no mistake about it - the Spurs, as presently constructed, cannot compete with the likes of Dallas and Phoenix.
The FO should have saw this coming during last year's playoffs, when Pop had to radically and drastically alter his lineup versus the Mavs in the WCSF. They're now paying dearly for their own organizational arrogance and we're seeing the results.
Having said all that, if it took a 1st round pick + Barry + Beno to get Maggette (and a backup PG in return) - DONE DEAL!
The Spurs need to start bolstering this roster and acquiring a younger, quicker swingman in Maggette would be a good start.
If you do the Magette deal, rather than get Maggette + Backup PG, try to get Magette + Singleton. Then try something like this with Philly
Bonner, Williams, Finley for S. Hunter and Joe Smith (expiring). This saves Philly money in the long run (due to their being over the Lux tax threshold), and I think improves our bigs (it gives us 2 big fast guys - Elson and Hunter, who can stay on the floor beside Tim against Dallas/Pheonix). Smith is also a useful player (banger PF/C) & is expiring so we don't lose cap flexibility.
Then either pick up Francis when he is bought out or get that Conroy kid from the D-league as 2nd/3d PG respectively.
Revised Roster
Bigs - Duncan, Elson, Hunter, Oberto, Horry, Smith, Butler
Wings - Manu, Bowen, Maggette, Singleton
PG - Parker, Francis/Conroy, Vaughn.
Doling out the minutes - regular season
Duncan 30-32 (24 mpg PF, 6-8 mpg C - rest him a little more & work the new bigs into the team)
Elson & Hunter 35 (combined at C, between 25 to 10 for each depending on how each is playing that night. We are very effective with a highly mobile big beside Duncan - look at the record with Elson > 20 MPG this year, and when Horry wakes up in the playoffs in 2005.)
Butler 0 (Bench/Dleague)
Oberto/Smith/Horry 29 (split between PF & C, dependent on matchups and how each is playing that night, likely 2 players at 15 mpg, and 1 player sitting in rotation)
Manu - 25 (currently averaging 27.7 mpg, at SG. Reducing to give minutes to Maggette and to rest him a bit)
Bowen - 30 (currently average 32.2 mpg, at sf. Reducing to give minutes to Maggette and to rest him a bit)
Magette - 30 (currently averaging 27.3 mpg, primary backup SG (23 min)&SF (7 min) work him into the rotation).
Singleton - 9 (backup SF, work him into the rotation also as a big SF).
Parker - 30-32 (Currently 32.9 - rest him a bit and see what the new backup PG can do).
Conroy/Francis - (15-18 - needs as many as possible to pick up the system)
Vaughn - Spot minutes (like he is currently).
i think scola/javtokas will not be in the spurs future
i was high on mahinmi, but he looks like a bust stayin in europe
seriously all that euro credit we get from the media is going to backfire on us.
if we are going to rebuild, we need to rebuild quick like the lakers after shaq fiasco....
So... we need to trade Shaq?
j/k
I think it will be several years before Mahinmi is ready, so we can stash him from the front of our minds. Scola is 27 or so; Mahinmi will be the same when he's ready to come.
seriously those guys are useful in the prior-small ball BS, and pop is at it now. Those guys will come in handy if stern is going to change the rules allowing free play for the bigs like how the wingplayers get special treatment.....
That is a very good point. So many of the players stashed in Europe are big men who by now are not as useful as at the time they were drafted. Spurs have one SF there, but I have not heard a thing about Viktor all year. I did wonder at the time, why the Spurs keep drafting big man after big man after big man. Of the guys they drafted playing in Europe, so far it's been the smaller guys to make it to the NBA-- Tony, Manu and even Beno- and Giricek.
STERN has to change the rules since there be big guys comin in from the 07 draft who a majority of them can revive the bigs in the league. So far we got a young group of bigs in the league, but they dont get the special treatment like the lebrons, wades,.....
Who the spurs could lose?
I would say Elson, Williams, Bonner, Butler, Udrih and Voughn.
Who can be added with time? A whole bunch of Cs and PFs can be here on the rookie contract.
I think the Spurs are waiting for the playoffs to finish. Then they will know everything about Oberto and Udrih and make all the moves for the next season. So how far will the Spurs go?
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