I have read countless threads and posts about how much the spurs really need to augment their roster with that seemingly magical player...the athletic long 3 (Honestly, I find it surprising that everyone seems to think these guys grow on tress... I cant think of two many players that fit the description everyone is in love with so much...can shoot, keep up with Nowitiski, rebound, and score hustle points etc, etc.)
My question is, who can this team honestly afford not to keep? It's en vougue to say that a nice combination of Barry/Finley/Beno/Scola would fetch one of these players...but outside of the seemingly brainless Clippers that would trade Magette for Beno and Barry...I dont think too many teams would consider any of those three guys for anything near the kind of talent everyone here is clamoring for.
Here are the players that I think the Spurs could potentially trade and get anything decent in return for:
Manu
Parker
Duncan
Maybe Elson if he's packaged with Parker or Manu.
Really, the rest of this team is too old or not worth the price of admission when it comes to bidding for one of those guys.
Edit:
And I really dont think anyone in the NBA gives a rat's ass about Louis Scola, who isnt exactly putting up 30 PPG over in Europe.
I'd expect Parker to be shopped this summer if the Spurs lose.
Elson has some value.
The rest of everybody has value as expiring contracts, including Oberto. I can't think anybody'd trade for him simply as a player.
Barry would have similar value he has now.
I disagree on Scola. He has value.
Otherwise this isn't a team with a lot of value packed in the cracks. One appeal to getting Maggette is that he'd still have trading value if he doesn't quite work out.
That's the thing. The Spurs can't lose any of the Big 3 without getting superstar talent in return or they will not even be contenders.
It doesnt make sense to me to lose Parker considering we would not have a PG w/o him...I mean that leaves Barry and Beno running the point... and He is the youngest and soon to be most talented player on this roster... my two cents
IMO they'd have to. Lose this year to Dallas and they're definitely not winning next year. Parker is the guy with the most value and upside. They'd have to replace him somewhere with a PG, but I do believe they'd shop him around. Not that I'd think they'd get much equitable in return, or that I want them to, but we need to recognize how relatively drastic it will be if we lose in the second round again.
A 25 years, continuely progressing PG.
20 ppg - 6 apg - 50%+ shooting
Sure, if Spurs lose trade our future to rebuild with... ?
there's something I'm missing here ...
you gotta explain me that.
It'll be interesting to see what Duncan's contract negotiations are like when his deal is up. He is approaching his tenth year in the league and his numbers are down due to improvement of Parker and Ginobili. He is at that point like Robinson was in the later years of his career. When the production begins to decline, do you want to trade a guy who is the face of the team?
Gervin was shipped out. It was considered shipping out DRob. Of the three, Parker is the least expendable.
Not much to explain. If we lose this year, we are essentially out of championship contention forever, as is. We're not fixing this team over the summer enough to overcome that kind of gap. Maybe a 15% chance we can, if we somehow pull a Nocioni with the MLE or something unbelievable.
A 25 years, continuely progressing PG.
20 ppg - 6 apg - 50%+ shooting
Sure, if Spurs lose trade our future to rebuild with... ?
there's something I'm missing here ...
you gotta explain me that.
Our only true asset is Parker. Ginobili and Duncan are basically the franchise and too popular to shop. So you shop Parker. The question is, what's his plateau? Has he hit it?
Note I did not say TRADE him. I said SHOP him. What can you get for Parker? Will that help the team? He's the single moveable asset with value.
Or we gamely plod on to upper-middle tier, passed by younger teams left and right.
I agree...for the most part.
I don't know who, outside of the big 3, has any real trade value. Finley might, but I don't know.
Same question every year since Tony arrived...and every year he has progressed. Do you really think at 25 he won't progressed anymore ? Nash is 32, kidd 34.
If he's a true asset why trade him ? To get a long SF. Ok but then you'll have to trade your long SF to get a good PG...
Spurs don't need a SF in place of someone, they need a SF in addition of the big three.
I'm just saying if they lose again this year (when they lose?) a shake-up is in order. We're kidding ourselves if we don't see it. My guess is the Spurs will hold on to Parker, Ginobili, and Duncan, and flail away at a 4-6 seed again next year.
We're completely ignoring the value of expiring contracts. Really, if we aren't going to play Eric Williams while Bonner is out we need to trade him or waive him and take on someone who might play this season or in the future.
Of course to send out an expiring deal, the Spurs would want to take back a deal that expires after next season, so that really limits potential trades.
I think you gotta be insane to trade or lose Parker. He's still developing and he's the future of the franchise. Remember that basketball peak is usually reached at the age of 28-29-30.
Duncan is untradeable, still if he's not playing great you can't give away the face of the Spurs.And Manu is still providing numbers and great game, his age is becoming an issue but as long as he keeps producing (and adding Pop's admiration to Manu's style of play) he'll stay.
It's like JPB said, Spurs don't need a SF in place of someone, they need a SF in addition of the big three. Someone who provides the spark, primarly a young SF who can run the floor.
Starting Starting Forward for Your San Antonio Spurs --- A rabbit out of a hat.
So in order to get younger, the Spurs must trade their 24 year old All-Star point guard.
Do you guys think before you post?
Williams for Bonzi Wells.
And the GM of the other team would have to be in his right mind -- also a limiting factor.
spurs should have considered going after Wells the second he got through shredding them in th first round of last year's playoffs
good call
Bonzi Wells:
6.8PPG 4.0RPG 1.2APG
since joining the rockets .....where he hardly plays
Hypothetically, without emotion, is it time to trade Duncan while he still has some value?
What could you reasonablly hope to get--and from who? I don't think you get a young up-and-coming player at value to value (Duncan for Bosh for example)
So would you take a lottery pick in the hope of getting a superstar of the future?
Based on current standings, the potential lottery teams are: Memphis, philadelphia, Charlotte, Atlanta, Boston, NO, Seattle, Sacramento. Would any of them rather have TD than a lottery pick this year?
You expect that the Spurs will trade TP, TD and Manu?.
Tim Duncan will never be traded, I think that is the same with Manu and Parker.
Can't you all see that the Spurs organisation is so dumb that they don't wan't to trade even Barry and Beno for Maggette, or they don't wan't to trade old Williams.
I think the issue the Spurs have to face is really pretty simple--
Either you have 3 fairly high paid players in Duncan (very high) and Manu and Parker, which leaves you very little to fill out the rest of the team monetarily speaking
or
You trade one to give you the money to bring in better role players around your 2 stars.
I actually think Manu would be the most likely traded because the Spurs think big man and point guard are the hardest spots to fill. If anyone thinks the Spurs would never trade Manu because he is popular, they just don't know much Spurs history. Remember- it's just a business.
Go hang out with Buck Harvey....Seriously, Tim could easily average 25 and 12, but it's not required of him with regard to the scheme of things. If Poppavich were to run the offense entirely through Tim, his numbers would be considerably different. But guess what, IT'S JANUARY. There's no need for him to exert that extra amount of energy just yet....Wait until March. Right now, we need to get a system down. This is difficult because a couple of pieces are out, Elson, Bonner. Unfortunately, the only way our system is truely beneficial is if everyone is healthy. This is in part, due to our age. Our youth will be very important come playoff time, as well as our expeirence. What many seem to be missing is that both work together, hand in hand. If each player can regain, and/or retain health, then I believe the Spurs have the right mix of expierence and youth that will allow them to return to the Finals.
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