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    Because Bush is "The Decider", not the generals who've seen combat before.
    Do you think Bush just pulls these plans out of his ass with no military input?

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    All Bush does is listen to the generals that will tell him what he wants...If they offer a different strategy than what he is looking for, they get replaced.

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    All Bush does is listen to the generals that will tell him what he wants...If they offer a different strategy than what he is looking for, they get replaced.
    Wow! Do you have the meeting minutes for these meetings? Where exactly do you sit in these meetings since you sure seem to know how they unfold.

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    No, Shinsieki has the meeting minutes. Well............he has to do something.

    If you hadn't noticed, Bush dumped Rummy, too. With every person he fires, they leave with the blame. Bush wears teflon in his own mind.

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    Hey numbnuts, even governer Pitaki came out against Dubya's surge. That's how many presidential hopefuls and their alliances?
    That doesn't make it a cons utional crisis. It's called a disagreement.

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    What a dumb . John Murtha has a plan, Joe Biden has a plan, Hillary Clinton has a plan, the bi-partisan Iraq Study Group has a plan...
    And, they've all been shot down because they suck.

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    Because Bush is "The Decider", not the generals who've seen combat before.
    You're right, his policy is being informed by those who are seeing combat right now...not has beens.

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    Wow! Do you have the meeting minutes for these meetings? Where exactly do you sit in these meetings since you sure seem to know how they unfold.
    Nah, the views of those generals are pretty well known. The president can appoint whatever general he wants, he's just being disingenuous when he says he's listening to the generals on the ground because the generals who were previously in charge didn't want any more troops.

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    Do you think Bush just pulls these plans out of his ass with no military input?
    Yes. He doesn't listen to anyone else, why would he listen to the generals? You have to understand that Generals are political creatures. Their appointments and promotions are put before Congress. They WILL go with the prevailing wind, which blows from the Whitehouse.

    At this point, he's just trying to pass off his failure on the next president, throwing away lives to buy time and try to save himself embarrassment.

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    At this point, he's just trying to pass off his failure on the next president, throwing away lives to buy time and try to save himself embarrassment.
    Wow! Thanks Boutons.

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    Yes. He doesn't listen to anyone else, why would he listen to the generals? You have to understand that Generals are political creatures. Their appointments and promotions are put before Congress. They WILL go with the prevailing wind, which blows from the Whitehouse.

    At this point, he's just trying to pass off his failure on the next president, throwing away lives to buy time and try to save himself embarrassment.

    Daily kos is lacking earth shattering insight like this.

    WHy not contribute there?

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    The Democrats are just making a lot of talk at this point, straw men to see what the polls will support. You can see the opposite with the savior DOD secretary saying that even this talk "emboldens the enemy". It will take some guts to cut off funding, which I don't think the Democrats have.

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    The Democrats are just making a lot of talk at this point, straw men to see what the polls will support. You can see the opposite with the savior DOD secretary saying that even this talk "emboldens the enemy". It will take some guts to cut off funding, which I don't think the Democrats have.
    They'll chop the funds eventually, they just have to let Bush fall flat on his surge face, first.

    This whole surge idea is a farce. We are "surging" back up to a force level we had before...that didn't work, then.

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    I agree. They'll eventually have to cut the funds, but I believe that Democratic Party nomination candidates, like Hillary, who voted for the Iraq war resolution in 03, won't win the endorsement of less trusting, but highly-motivated Progressives who drive the major funding mechanisms in the party, unless they back a resolution to cut the Iraq war funding and bring the boys home immediately.

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    For those of you who doubted this could happen...

    Feingold Calls War Bluff
    By: Roger Simon
    January 29, 2007 05:21 PM EST


    Senate Democrats oppose the war in Iraq, they just don't plan on stopping it.

    They have discovered that standing up to the president is not quite as easy as vilifying him.

    Sen. Russ Feingold, D-Wis., has decided, however, to challenge what he calls the "timidity" of Democratic leaders. He is going to introduce legislation cutting off funding for the Iraq war and he may do it, he told me, as early as this week.

    I reached him by telephone Monday in Fond du Lac, Wis., where he was conducting one of his "Listening Sessions" with voters during a snowstorm.

    I asked him whether Democratic voters were further to the left than their elected leaders, especially their presidential candidates, when it came to the war.

    "That is not only true of Democrats," Feingold said, "it is true of the public as a whole. The mainstream view of the American people is to get out of Iraq.".............

    Cutting off funds only for the planned 21,500 troop surge in Iraq and passing resolutions condemning the war has become the fallback position of Senate Democrats who are fearful of being portrayed as unpatriotic, cowardly, "Mommy Party" haters of the military.
    Politico

    We'll see how the announced Democratic Party nominees respond. Will Hillary try and kill it?

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