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Here's the +/- for the Spurs on 82games.com per 48 minutes
http://www.82games.com/0607/0607SAS1.HTM
I don't know what that other link is showing.
Uh, yeah it is. Popcorn has Bowen over Parker by 10 points in the +/- stats. Levono and 82games have Parker +3 over Bowen.
In other words, all three sites show that Bowen is as important to this team as anyone in the Big 3.
Here's the +/- for the Spurs on 82games.com per 48 minutes
http://www.82games.com/0607/0607SAS1.HTM
I don't know what that other link is showing.
i dont know, but i think it reflect better the reality
You're supposed to say "I don't know what it is, but I think they reflect better the reality."
The "production" category that 82games has is worthless when it comes to the Spurs because most of the time Bowen is guarding the other team's shooting guards. So that inflates Manu's "production" and decreases Bowen's.
"Production" measures the PER of the player versus the average PER of the opponents at the same positions. On some teams that could be a useful stat. But not for the Spurs.
Read my post right above this.
The link you provided isn't +/- stats. Otherwise the Spurs would be losing every game with all those players in the negative.
Bowen is the ing man, nuff said!
I don't know that he needs to come off the bench...BUT, there are certain teams that there is no reason he needs to play as many minutes as he does, and Fin/Barry should play more. Tonight is an example. There isn't anyone on the Jazz, that Bowen needs to run around and guard....So, sit him more, play the "offensive game" and let Barry and Finley run around.
down boy i think english isn't their primary language
So Finley/Barry should have guarded AK47 and Harpring?
did you see the other teams stats?, remember that they are mesuared by the same bar
Yeah, I guess you still don't understand the production stats aren't the +/- stats.
Please can we stop saying Fin/Barry as if they're fungible? One is one of the worst 5 spot-up shooters in the L while the other is one of top 5 spot up shooters in the L. TYTY
Exactly...so maybe we give up a few more pts. with Bowen on the bench but score more to make up the diff and win a few more close games. No one is looking to trade Bowen but maybe manage/tweak his playing time in certain match-ups situations to get more out of our offense.
I say we get another swingman who might actually be able to justify taking minutes from Bowen someday.
how the , you know that?
Because you said you asked what they meant.
Did you forget that?
Need a link?
Fight
Exactly. Is Bowen a great player? No. Could we use a SF who could hold his own rebounding and contribute a little more to the offense? yes. Do we have such a swingmen? Absolutely not.
stop banning me ing and let me defend my ass, ing
Who are you talking to?
Whoa! Tourette?
Bowens worth I think depends on not so much what he does as a player because you know what you're going to get out of him- there are no surprises-but instead how many top-tier teams there are in the league, that are willing to give up some young potential or an expiring contract for a guy who's in his mid-thirties and on the downslope of his career, to have a better chance at winning a championship.
Right now there are only about 4, maybe 5 teams that I can think of that MIGHT be slightly interested in him. Whereas in the mid 90's he would have definitely been more valuable because of the higher concentration of high-caliber teams that would have risked giving up potential/expiring contracts for him.
Right now I wouldn't know who would take him. What I do know is SA wouldn't get much in return.
Popcorn does totals which obviously are impacted by minutes played. But then again we all know that some guy can have some crazy two minutes of garbage time that throws off his whole per 48 stats. We also know that some guys play primarily against the best players on the opponent, so it is not a clear measure to compare players on the same team. If you have good +/- stats and you cover the best perimeter scorer on the opponent night in and hight out, you are clearly very valuable to your team.
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