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Yeah but he still looks like Lerch from the Adam's family. With all that money why can't he hire somenone that can give him more than the "Herman Munster" look.
They shed a lot of salary after this year. Not a reach at all. James is a bad contract, but not a killer. Crawford, Q, Jeffries are all overpaid, but not terribly. Francis was a mistake, so you're right there. Dampier-level.
Knicks shed $50 million dollars worth of salary this summer.
Yeah but he still looks like Lerch from the Adam's family. With all that money why can't he hire somenone that can give him more than the "Herman Munster" look.
Fairly often Manu Ginobili is the best player the Spurs have. He is simply a game-changing talent.
From time to time, Jamal Crawford gets hot and can shoot a team to victory. But he's an extremely streaky player who doesn't do much else. Extremely streaky. His and Manu's clutch capabilities are about the same. David Lee is a nice piece, a very good rebounder and hustle guy. I root for the Knicks and like both of these players and absolutely hope the Spurs could get Lee.
But be serious. Are these two guys together worth Manu Ginobili? Absolutely not.
The fact that he is goofy looking is just another reason to like him...his goofiness is another thing that drives other teams' fans crazyYeah but he still looks like Lerch from the Adam's family. With all that money why can't he hire somenone that can give him more than the "Herman Munster" look.
I'd call James a bad contract considering he counts $10M per year against the cap and doesn't play. It's the same for Malik. Neither of their contracts are outrageously huge, but they are horribly unjustified for what they give the Knicks.
Agree on Crawford and Q.
On Francis, it could be a Dampier-level mistake if he actually plays for them (Damp doesn't justify that salary, but at least he's a regular rotation member), but if he doesn't, I'd say it's bigger than a Dampier-level mistake. I see your point though.
Depends on Crawford actually. Crawford can be a good "scorer" and not just a shooter, but he would have to be seriously reigned in. If he's out-of-control, it's not a risk I'd personally be willing to take.
Again, its not just dampier that kills the mavs salary #s
Wait, why are Spurs fans trading Manu?
The Spurs don't need to trade Ginobili or Parker or TD. They need to re-evaluate everyone besides these three and see where they stand. Barry is still serviceable and contributes fairly well. Elson is inconsistent but coming along and needs more playing time with Oberto getting spot minute duty. Finley is flat out not performing at all, but makes peanuts from SA and could still be useful in spot duty as well. Bonner looked decent before the injury and could still be useful once he returns. Everyone else is unreliable or not NBA caliber and plans need to start being made now as to what to do in the offseason. There aren't any good options for this year left, so unless we are going to go after some released players or D-Leaguers this is going to be the lineup this year.
Mr. Body felt that it was one of the many rediculous trade scenarios floating around, and then a couple posters (myself included) entertained the idea as improbable, but not insane...
I think the Spurs want to trade, but don't have anyone that others teams want. Maybe expiring contracts, but the Spurs aren't going to get exactly what they want by trading someone like Eric Williams. They need to add a backup point and someone who can score off the bench.
They would feel it out, but Manu's the heart and soul of this team as much as Duncan. The guy I'd most likely trade of the 3 is Parker, but it'd have to be a significant deal and we'd have to have a PG replacement, which we don't have. I'd rather just blunder on until the 2008 Plan before trading anybody.
You mean any of the big 3 right?
The only way Williams has value is if you are willing to take back a long term contract in return.
If your definition of "long-term" is "longer than this year" then you are correct, but it doesn't have to be a Marcus Banks/Earl Watson-type contract. Arroyo/Duhon make $3-4M for the next two years. To be honest, I think I might actually prefer a 2yr contract for a backup PG...it would let me know that the Spurs don't absolutely HAVE to address the backup situation in the Summer and it would help out for the le run this year.
The Spurs are missing 3 guys:
1. Rebounding big man (avg 9+ a game) with a good outside shot. Ability to defend inside and outside a plus. DRob circa '03 comes to mind.
2. Athletic scoring swing with a solid 3 point stroke and good rebounding skills. (Jack from '03 or Posey)
3. Solid backup point guard (Claxton in '03).
The problem right now is the Spurs have a great top 3 and then a bunch of good 7-12 guys. The weakness in their 4-6 rotation spots is killing them.
Basically, any scenario that has the Spurs solving any of their weaknesses would involve taking back a long term contract. At least TD, Manu, and TP will have more time in the offseason to recover....
Agree with you completely, but the Spurs also don't have the trade assets to fill all of those requirements, so they'll have to pick which one is most important and plausible.
IMO that is backup PG.
GMs usually don't like giving up size for nothing (see: Bobcats ask NJ for #1 pick for Ely), and no wing player seems available (Posey isn't a "scoring" wing, he's a spot-up shooter and not an improvement in that category), so the natural thought proceeds to using Williams' expiring contract to pick up an available player with 2 or so years left on it....and PG are the most available it would seem.
There are a few players that don't violate the "08 Plan" and still satisfy a need (Arroyo, Duhon, Knight), but you and I agree on one thing...if they do nothing the Big 3 will be well rested for the 07-08 season.
Not sure about Holts personal wealth but it is substantialy lower than CubansSpurs fans love to rip on Cuban, but I know deep down they wished they had an aggressive owner like him (without the wacky antics) that will do trades and spend money. I don't expect most to admit that though
If the Spurs did anything before the deadline it would surprise me...
Per Forbes Cuban is 2.3 Billion, while Holt is not listed in the top 400 least amount 1 Billion).
Dallas operating Income last year per FOrbes -24 million, Spurs +11.
Holt doesn't have the huge pockets to absorb- or potentialy absorb spending that kind of money. I would like an owner a little less concerned about bottom line, but it's what we have.
http://www.forbes.com/home/free_forb.../0212/084.html
Itīs just about getting a better support cast.thatīs all.the big three is just fine.
The huge problem: Beno/Horry/Finley are MUCH worse than they were last year. Their trade value is non-existant as a result. Our backup PG spot is essentially non-existant. Our centers are, gasp, also worse, although cheaper I guess. I don't have a clue how Beno dropped 10% in his FG% or how the rest of our bench died in the offseason. I guess they just got one year too much older. Now we are stuck with them as they have no value. Only option is to hold out to 2008 or trade a big 3.
Spurs would be better off with Barry at the point.
Who are you kidding? You'd take another championship under any cir stances. Pretend to take the high road if it makes you feel better- while you watch the Spurs dynasty recede into the past. The Spurs have been a great team but times change, the way the game is played evolves and those who adjust will win while those who don't will be left to reflect on their past glories.I would feel much less value in winning a championship if I had to spend over 90 million dollars in doing so..The Spurs earn respect around the league cause they have already achieved this goal while not overspending in the process. It is funny to watch teams like the mavs and knicks try and buy championships and keep failing!!
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