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    What do you think must happen to open the eyes of the front office that changes are needed for this team to compete THIS YEAR!!

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    Spurs fans love to rip on Cuban, but I know deep down they wished they had an aggressive owner like him (without the wacky antics) that will do trades and spend money. I don't expect most to admit that though

    If the Spurs did anything before the deadline it would surprise me...

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    What will keep the Spurs from signing old, marginal players this offseason is another good question?

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    If the Spurs did anything before the deadline it would surprise me...

    Agreed...Like it or loathe it, the FO isn't gonna do a thing.

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    I would feel much less value in winning a championship if I had to spend over 90 million dollars in doing so..The Spurs earn respect around the league cause they have already achieved this goal while not overspending in the process. It is funny to watch teams like the mavs and knicks try and buy championships and keep failing!!

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    What do you think must happen to open the eyes of the front office that changes are needed for this team to compete THIS YEAR!!
    They would have to see evidence that inaction would cause financial loss.

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    You go to war with the army you've got, not the army you'd like to have.

    There's not a trade they can make that will improve them right now without giving up the meager assets they need to improve the team in the future. Those, for example, wishing to drop a first rounder on Chucky Atkins are crazy.

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    There are ways to improve a team now and in the process improve for the future as well..That is the beauty of the contract, it is only binding for so long.

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    I would feel much less value in winning a championship if I had to spend over 90 million dollars in doing so..The Spurs earn respect around the league cause they have already achieved this goal while not overspending in the process. It is funny to watch teams like the mavs and knicks try and buy championships and keep failing!!
    Comparing the Mavs and the Knicks is a BIT extreme considering the Mavs don't spend anywhere close to them, and they have the best record this year and went to the finals last year while the Knicks are horrible...

    Remove the bad contracts that the Mavs are still paying on (ie, players not on the team) and their payroll is $66M...

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    Spurs fans love to rip on Cuban, but I know deep down they wished they had an aggressive owner like him (without the wacky antics) that will do trades and spend money. I don't expect most to admit that though

    If the Spurs did anything before the deadline it would surprise me...
    Agreed Leonard. I love what Cuban does as an owner for the Mavs and their fans and wish we wouldn't worry so much about staying on the cheap. It's really only his whining, huddle invading, and smarmyness I can't stand.

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    If Pop watched Pros Vs. Joes he'd see that Kevin Willis is still a beast. Even at 60 he's gotta be better than "Oberlson."

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    You go to war with the army you've got, not the army you'd like to have.

    There's not a trade they can make that will improve them right now without giving up the meager assets they need to improve the team in the future. Those, for example, wishing to drop a first rounder on Chucky Atkins are crazy.
    Ok Rumsfeld. That at ude worked real well for our troops didn't it? Just one trade could improve our chances greatly. We have no bench and we are still right in these games we are losing.

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    Remove the bad contracts that the Mavs are still paying on (ie, players not on the team) and their payroll is $66M...
    Similar issue with the Knicks, who are still paying Allan Houston this year, who comes off the books next.

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    If you go to the 'reasonable trades' forum, you'll find a bunch of faux Gen. Mgrs. whipping themselves into a frenzy trying out every trade they can imagine.

    The proposals range from the bizarre (14 players with 4 teams and the Spurs wind up with a great player) to the ungodly (Spurs trade for another over-the-hill, injured or mentally deficient player who doesn't fill the bill) to the absolute worst (Spurs trade one of Big Three for non-All star quality player).

    In between these extremes are some folks who are actually trying to come up with a reasonable trade--but guess what. There hasn't been one proposed trade where everyone says, "Yeah, that'll work (money/mechanics), it's possible (both teams would want to trade that player) and would be a great move for both teams."

    The reason most proposed trades break down on inspection is because they don't meet all of these parameters. The Spurs are simply in a weak position to make any 'reasonable' trade to help the team this year.

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    Comparing the Mavs and the Knicks is a BIT extreme considering the Mavs don't spend anywhere close to them, and they have the best record this year and went to the finals last year while the Knicks are horrible...

    Remove the bad contracts that the Mavs are still paying on (ie, players not on the team) and their payroll is $66M...
    What do you mean remove the bad contracts??If every team could remove their bad contracts their would be no cap on spending..It would be nice to keep spending until you get it right but that is not reality. Most teams are an actual business not a hobby or toy. The Spurs approach it like a business while the mavs would spend near the knick level if it meant a champioship..

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    If to the absolute worst (Spurs trade one of Big Three for non-All star quality player).
    These are my favorites. I love the Jamal Crawford+David Lee for Manu Ginobili trades.

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    WHat will it take?

    Another participating team.

    Cause it takes two you guys know right?

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    I love the Jamal Crawford+David Lee for Manu Ginobili trades
    Id actually do that trade.

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    Id actually do that trade.
    You're an idiot. But you make me laugh.

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    Yeah cause trading one 16 point a game guy for a starting center and starting 2 guard wouldn't work.

    Whatever floats your Boat mrs javtokas.

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    Similar issue with the Knicks, who are still paying Allan Houston this year, who comes off the books next.
    The Mavs have a bad contract (Dampier @ $10M), but the Knicks have a ton (James @ $5M+, Crawford @ $9M, Q @ $7M+, Jeffries @ $5M+, Francis @ $15M....).

    It is a bit of a reach...

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    Tariq ABdul Wahad is also still on the records for multiple millions.

    The guy they wouldn't trade for Rasho

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    Similar issue with the Knicks, who are still paying Allan Houston this year, who comes off the books next.
    That knocks them down to $118M or so...
    http://www.hoopshype.com/salaries/new_york.htm

    I don't know their roster well enough to remove other crap salaries...

    Agreed Leonard. I love what Cuban does as an owner for the Mavs and their fans and wish we wouldn't worry so much about staying on the cheap. It's really only his whining, huddle invading, and smarmyness I can't stand.
    He's been ok this year. He's said a couple things and wore the t-shirt at the last game in SA but otherwise has been pretty quiet...

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    Mavs: salary #'s
    still owe dampier 50 million thru 2011
    still owe bradley 10 million thru 2008
    still owe finley 35 million thru 2008
    Not far from knick status!!

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    These are my favorites. I love the Jamal Crawford+David Lee for Manu Ginobili trades.
    I actually think it's a trade that benefits both the Nicks and the Spurs

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