Who got snubbed?

[Amare_32]

And to answer your question, jackass, the Blazers are 11-10 when Randolph scores 25 points or more. Considering the Blazers are just 20-27, I'd say they very much need his 25-11 vs. .500 teams.

Eat your own bull , please...

Fine whatever is obvious trying to talk sense to you is pointless. Like hitting a wall.

[JMarkJohns]

Fine whatever is obvious trying to talk sense to you is pointless. Like hitting a wall.

Please. Your opinion is that an individual honor should be predicated upon a player's team success rather than his individual statistical production. When all you BS arguements failed to prove he wasn't worthy, you resorted to pulling the "bad teammate/player... bad rap" card. Which is fine, but like I said, such only speaks to WHY he's been snubbed, not whether he should be.

I'm saying he was snubbed and will accept the "bad teammate/player... bad rap" card as the reason why, because clearly his stats and their importance to his team aren't the reason. His team is over .500 when he scores 25 points or more. He averages 25 and 11 vs. .500 or better teams, so clearly he puts up the numbers on the better teams in the League.

You, meanwhile, argue that he wasn't snubbed because he wasn't deserving because his team is bad, his numbers in the west are soft and his team doesn't need him.

You, my friend, are the one who needs all the sense you can get, so, if you don't mind, reread my post and learn something.

[ponky]

hey NuGGeTs-FaN, good game so far

[JamStone]

Zach Randolph. Averages of 24 and 12 for any western big is impressive. I don't care his team's record. He was more deserving than either of the Phoenix forwards named and as deserving as any other forward outside of Garnett, Dirk and Duncan.

Since when was 10.5 rpg rounded up to 12 rpg??? And, that 10.5 was even less than that since the last three games he's had 17, 13, and 12 rebounds. You don't need to puff up his numbers. 10.5 rpg is still a great rebounding average.

For someone who puts up big scoring numbers for a post player, he shoots 46% from the field. Most dominant big men at least approach 50% if not shoot higher than that. He takes 19 shots a game and 7 free throws a game. You would hope he could average 20+ ppg.

I'm not saying he doesn't deserve to be an all star. He's worthy. But, I don't know if he's the most egregious snub, considering the coaches left off the league scoring leader.




The most notable snubs: Carmelo, Josh Howard, Joe Johnson
Could make an argument they were snubbed: Elton Brand, Zach Randolph, Mehmet Okur, Eddy CUrry, Deron Williams, Emeka Okafor, Luol Deng, Ben Gordon

In the Western Conference, it's hard to call worthy players snubs since there are so many "worthy" all stars. It's just how it is. There are going to be players who are worthy but don't get invited. It doesn't mean they're not worthy or got snubbed. It could mean there were just other players that deserved to be there just as much, and maybe slightly more.

I do question Tony Parker's selection, Chauncey Billups' selection, and Vince Carter's selection. They are doing well, but I would have taken other players ahead of them if I were voting.

[Amare_32]

Please. Your opinion is that an individual honor should be predicated upon a player's team success rather than his individual statistical production. When all you BS arguements failed to prove he wasn't worthy, you resorted to pulling the "bad teammate/player... bad rap" card. Which is fine, but like I said, such only speaks to WHY he's been snubbed, not whether he should be.

I'm saying he was snubbed and will accept the "bad teammate/player... bad rap" card as the reason why, because clearly his stats and their importance to his team aren't the reason. His team is over .500 when he scores 25 points or more. He averages 25 and 11 vs. .500 or better teams, so clearly he puts up the numbers on the better teams in the League.

You, meanwhile, argue that he wasn't snubbed because he wasn't deserving because his team is bad, his numbers in the west are soft and his team doesn't need him.

You, my friend, are the one who needs all the sense you can get, so, if you don't mind, reread my post and learn something.

Sorry my mistake here I am thinking that basketball is a team sport. Forget about Howard,Boozer,Melo. Winning has to mean something. I can't see rewarding players on losing teams. They are not even in the playoff picture. If it was that Portland at least was in the playoff race maybe you can make a case for him. I just think that in the West their are more deserving players than him.

[Purple & Gold]

Zach is more deserving than Amare.

[JMarkJohns]

Since when was 10.5 rpg rounded up to 12 rpg??? And, that 10.5 was even less than that since the last three games he's had 17, 13, and 12 rebounds. You don't need to puff up his numbers. 10.5 rpg is still a great rebounding average.

I believe I started to correcting the stats mid-way through. You are correct, I gave him an extra rebound, thinking he was averaging over 11 per.

For someone who puts up big scoring numbers for a post player, he shoots 46% from the field. Most dominant big men at least approach 50% if not shoot higher than that. He takes 19 shots a game and 7 free throws a game. You would hope he could average 20+ ppg.

Ehh... FG% means something, but as said, his team actually does better when he scores more. If his percentage isn't that good, but his team does better when he scores/thus shoots more, then it doesn't matter as much to me. Still, 46% is nothing to snear at. It's not Shaq-like, but for a guy facing cconstant double-teams because his teammates suck, it's understandable.

I'm not saying he doesn't deserve to be an all star. He's worthy. But, I don't know if he's the most egregious snub, considering the coaches left off the league scoring leader.

Carmelo was snubbed because he's a . Maybe it's the same reason for Randolph. Who knows. Yes, both are deserving, but, and maybe I should have prefaced this from the beginning, my original intent was to say Randolph, because I believe Howard and Caremlo will be named to the team, thus are All-Stars, thus not eligible for this debate... but that's probably assuming too much.

The most notable snubs: Carmelo, Josh Howard, Joe Johnson
Could make an argument they were snubbed: Elton Brand, Zach Randolph, Mehmet Okur, Eddy CUrry, Deron Williams, Emeka Okafor, Luol Deng, Ben Gordon

In the Western Conference, it's hard to call worthy players snubs since there are so many "worthy" all stars. It's just how it is. There are going to be players who are worthy but don't get invited. It doesn't mean they're not worthy or got snubbed. It could mean there were just other players that deserved to be there just as much, and maybe slightly more.

I do question Tony Parker's selection, Chauncey Billups' selection, and Vince Carter's selection. They are doing well, but I would have taken other players ahead of them if I were voting.

I'll agree with all this. Parker's spot should have went to Iverson, Iverson's wildcard to Carmelo or Howard and then the newly opened replacement to Randolph.

[ponky]

Sorry my mistake here I am thinking that basketball is a team sport. Forget about Howard,Boozer,Melo. Winning has to mean something. I can't see rewarding players on losing teams. They are not even in the playoff picture. If it was that Portland at least was in the playoff race maybe you can make a case for him.

I agree with you, Zach Randolph is a very good baller but I don't think teams that aren't even at least in the playoff race or under 0.500 in the West should be considered...we can't help the crappy East, they HAVE to pick someone, haha!

SOOOOOOOOO, since it IS a team sport and the Mavericks have the BEST record in the West, and they DO NOT have 3 ALL-STARS HELPING EACH OTHER OUT....JHO GOT SNUBBED BIG TIME THANKS TO MARION!!!

haha, i pretend like i don't care....but i do! anyway, i'm just kidding suns fans...and i'm tipsy and bored even if this nuggets/blazers game is kind of interesting

[JMarkJohns]

Sorry my mistake here I am thinking that basketball is a team sport. Forget about Howard,Boozer,Melo. Winning has to mean something. I can't see rewarding players on losing teams. They are not even in the playoff picture. If it was that Portland at least was in the playoff race maybe you can make a case for him. I just think that in the West their are more deserving players than him.

You are so effin' dense. Winning has to mean something. OK, well his team wins more when he scores more.

Your criteria is far too subjective and way too overthought.

[ponky]

Yay!

[Purple & Gold]

[Amare_32]

You are so effin' dense. Winning has to mean something. OK, well his team wins more when he scores more.

Your criteria is far too subjective and way too overthought.

He is shooting 47% against the playoff teams in the West while that is not bad is not great for a big. This includes a 1 for 12 game against the Nuggets stellar defense. Lets agree to disagree in the end All Star selections are pretty much which players are your preference and every person has different criteria. Plus like I posted before the forward position in the West is really deep.

[Amare_32]

You are so effin' dense. Winning has to mean something. OK, well his team wins more when he scores more.

Your criteria is far too subjective and way too overthought.

Yet they are still 20-27. Let me know when they reach .500.

[ponky]

Amare_32

[Amare_32]

Amare_32

[Purple & Gold]

Amare_32

[ponky]

blazers getting ready to lose tonight to the nuggets, 2 pt. game, nuggets ball, 6 secs left

[ponky]

, heh

OVERTIME!!!!!!!!!

who will win the battle of the blazer stats as they pertain to tonight?!?!?!?!

[Amare_32]

, heh

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[Purple & Gold]

Brand with 26 pts 19 boards 4 blocks.

[Amare_32]

Brand with 26 pts 19 boards 4 blocks.

Now he is an All Star. He is finally playing like he was last year.

[Purple & Gold]

Now he is an All Star. He is finally playing like he was last year.

Him and Cassell make the team go. Maggette for Artest would be a great trade for them if they can still make it happen.

[ponky]

steve blake is EN FUEGO!!!! 14 assists, and he's taken over in OT

[Flight3107]

[ponky]

did you read the comments jho made about not getting on?!?!?!?! woohoo, i'm happy he didn't get the vote after reading those...payback!!!