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Bruno is king. I read the part in the CBA and yeah, that's how it works.
Props to you and Peter Holt.
In fact Spurs have given cash to cover the difference between Ely and Williams remaining salary : they will still spend $4.3M (Williams salary) during the year but now it's split between Williasm, Ely and cash to Charlotte.Bruno, show your math. How do you get exactly $1M?
Teams pay the luxury tax only at the end of the season : it's based on players under contract at the end the year and not on what teams have spend during the year.
They will save $1M because at the end of the year, Spurs payroll will be $1M lower and they will be $1M less in luxury tax (difference between Ely and Williams salary).
Bruno is king. I read the part in the CBA and yeah, that's how it works.
Props to you and Peter Holt.
Bruno, thanks for the info. I didn't know it was tax on the end of the year salaries as opposed to the actual paid salaries.
You're welcome.
Hahammm. The $1M in salary that they save will translate into $2M in actual savings, since luxury tax is 1 + 1 dollars for every dollar over the tax, and their dollar figure will be $1M lower. They save $2M, $1M salary plus $1M tax payment, minus the prorated payment to Charlotte.
^^^they saved the tax payment but not the salary due to the shortfall in salary will be covered by SPURS, Bruno is right.
Trading Beno...
Lets try a 3 way
LAC-MEM-SAS
SAS Out - Udrih,Oberto
SAS In - James Singleton, Chucky Atkins
MEM Out - Chucky Atkins
MEM In - Oberto, Doug Christie
LAC Out - James Singleton, Doug Christie
LAC In - Udrih
Doug Christie is included solely as fodder - Mem. will cut him and he will rejoin the Clippers.
Jerry West (MEM) gets Oberto, whom he likes and further enhances his chances in the Oden Lottery.
Clippers wanted a picks/prospects, shooters and expirings for Magette. Singleton is worth less - they get a prospect (whom they expressed an interest in before).
Clearly to get MEM and LAC to buy in, we will have to add a couple of Picks or Euro rights.
Suggestion - SAS first to LAC, LAC Second to SAS, 2007 2nd to Mem. (CHI's if we get it, otherwise SAS)
They can't trade Christie while he's on a ten day contract -- or even after that for 90 days.
Jerry West (MEM) gets Oberto, whom he likes and further enhances his chances in the Oden Lottery.
You can replace Christie's contract with that of either Daniel Ewing or Paul Davis from the Clippers. The CBA trade limits still work. However, it might be more difficult to talk LAC into it...
It would have to be Ewing if there's any chance of that working. LA doesn't need four point guards.
Seems a little intricate and like alot of hassle for piece-parts...
More simple is:
Beno + Oberto for Atkins + future pick
I don't think they'll add a pick to that. Maybe just Atkins. But still good.
1) I still think our wing positions need more, and Singleton could be very useful - look at his rebound rate. This is very likely our last move this year, if it can satisfy both holes (PG, Wing), we should surely try.
2) Your not getting a future pick out of Memphis. They are in rebuild mode and will try to keep their picks for the next couple of years. You could probably do Beno and Oberto for Atkins straight up.
3) Think about 2007-08.
Your way
C - Butler, Elson,
PF - Duncan, Horry* (I think he retires),
SF - Bowen, Finley
SG - Manu, Barry
PG - Parker
Needs - 2 or 3 Bigs, 2nd & 3ed PG's, 2 Wing players.
Assets - Short term (1 year contracts, due to the "oh so important" 2008 plan), 1 first pick, 2 (MIL, SAS) maybe 3 (CHI) second picks, Scola (ready), Javoktas, Mahnimi & Sanikidze (likely not ready).
Thats a lot of holes to fill. Scola likely won't come for a 1year contract (Javtokas might...).
My way
C - Butler, Elson,
PF - Duncan, Horry* (I think he retires),
SF - Bowen, Singleton (playing for a contract), Finley
SG - Manu, Barry
PG - Parker
Needs - 2 or 3 Bigs, 2nd & 3ed PG's, 1 Wing.
Assets - Short term (1 year contracts, due to the "oh so important" 2008 plan), 2 (LAC, MIL) maybe 3(CHI) second picks, Scola (ready), Javoktas, Mahnimi & Sanikidze (likely not ready).
Still a lot of holes to fill. But Singleton fills a wing slot with a usable veteran, who is playing in a contract year. He also plays some PF, which gives us some semi-reliable backup there too.
I see the Spurs having two seperate needs and I'm not saying Singleton wouldn't be good, but the likelihood that they address both of those needs in two seperate deals, let alone a more complicated three-team trade, is slim at best....
I just think the Spurs can reasonably fill one of the two voids they have on their current roster, be it backup PG or wing. I posted what I thought to be the most "reasonable" or "likely" deal.
Beno to GS for Matt Barnes also works...
I'd suggest that a 3 way is easier than 2 two-ways, given our limited trade assets. You may be right about only being able to fill one of two holes. At that point, I would suggest addressing the wing position first. At PG, we have Parker for 35+ minutes per night, followed by Vaughn, who has been doing well lately, and as a third option, there is the Barry - Manu double Hybrid guard backcourt (which worked against Detroit). But we really have no good answer to strong SF's (eg. Bonzi, Artest, Howard last year, Battier, Howard, ? Diaw? this year), and our rebounding remains a weakness, which is magnified when we play small ball. The wing spot appears to be the position of greater need...
Ask any GM and they'll tell you that a three-way trade is always harder than a two way because it becomes more difficult to match up the outgoing and incoming salaries. I didn't bother to check your earlier deal, but I wouldn't doubt if there was a financial snag in there somewhere.
The other thing is that even if the Spurs go with a guy like Singleton, Barnes, Outlaw, or one of these other long 3/small ball 4 types, how much time do you expect Pop to give them over a veteran like Finley? Outside of Maggette, Posey, or Mo Pete, I really don't see that athletic wing the Spurs are looking for to contribute immediately even if they get him.
I'm just trying to be realistic. Pop likes veterans and none of the SF/PF types (outside of Maggette) that the Spurs could get would be veterans...
The PG they could get, however...
Nah, Bruno is right. There is no salary savings because the Spurs gave Charlotte the prorated difference in salary. The Spurs just save money by having $1M less in tax payment.
I can't believe it took like 5 people and a page of threads to figure that out...
Presumably everyone has a hs diploma...Congrats!
Just playing...
Yes, ONE 3-way is harder than ONE 2-way. However, I suggest that ONE 3-way is easier than TWO 2-way deals. The salaries in my proposed deal should work out; they pass through real-gm's trade checker.
Pop does have something of an obsession with veterans, but what PG is going to come in with less than half the season to learn the playbook on the fly and force Vaughn out of the 2nd PG slot while doing so... Vaughn is a veteran as well. I'd give the SF/PF a better shot, just because of the larger talent gap there is to fill at that spot.
Also, don't be too sure about getting the PG. There are a number of teams looking for a good cheap vet. PG at the moment - Cleveland, Miami, Spurs, Minnesota... There aren't that many available.
See you're point on more than one two-way deal, and I understand the hesitation to bring a PG in w/ less than half the season to go, but that's where our agreement ends....
The answer to your question (bolded) is Chucky Atkins. Atkins is a veteran, and can be an effective playmaker (score when needed, and defer when needed).
Vaughn may be a veteran as well, but Pop gave Beno every opportunity to win/keep the backup PG spot. The reason why....Vaughn, while smart and energetic, is simply not a consistent offensive threat, which leads me to my next point....
The talent gap between Atkins and Vaughn is bigger than the talent gap between Finley (the current 3/4 option) and any one of the players you mentioned (Singleton for instance). In fact, you could make the argument that Atkins is an improvement over Vaughn, but Finley might actually still be a better option than Singleton/Barnes/etc.
One last point....
Pop had a 6'9 220lb hybrid forward, who was a veteran nonetheless (we already established Pop's affinity for veterans), and he barely got off the bench. What makes you think Pop will go with a 2nd or 3rd year player over Finley for key minutes down the stretch?
good point phat tony...i thought eric williams would have been more useful for us ..atkins would be great but it's a little sad beno can't put it together.. he could be a force..
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