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Beno for Kevin Johnson...
I like the Ely trade by the Spurs....worst case scenario it gives extra motivation to Elson and other post players, best case Ely becomes Duncan's primary backup (the first time Spurs can bring legitimate low post scoring in from the bench) while occasionally playing next to Duncan...this trade is very low risk (only cost 2nd rounder and Ely is in last year of contract...one other point is this trade isn't about money as many have claimed (insider reports say the Spurs will pay the difference in Ely vs Williams contract) but this is a guy who Pop and others have coveted ( "coveted" may be alittle strong) for 3 years, and hope a championship environment and solid veterans will help Ely undergo a at ude adjustment!
That brings us to Beno...as much as we would like an athlectic 3 our backup PG has been even more of a problem this year...It won't be easy to work out a trade involving Beno (although easier than trying to get legit 3 that can halp this year) due to his low salary and poor play this year but there are still guys out there that think he has potential....while Vaughn has played well lately, having watched him for many years I am not convinced he is the answer.....so what trades may be out there involving Beno???
Here's a few possibilities (no particular order):
1. Beno & Oberto for Fred Jones (mentioned a couple weeks ago) - salary works, Oberto probably have limited play with Ely trade, and Fred Jones odd man out after TJ Ford trade.
2. Beno for (Boston PG/G) - not sure on this one, but Boston sucks and they have 4 PG/G combos all young and all have 2 years left on contract (same as Beno) the problem is Celtics probably fell all are better than Beno, so any trade here has to involve draft pick, rights to euro player, or asorbing large contact (Celtics have very few and Spurs not in position to do so). It may be worth talking and see if anything make sense...I would rank them in order of best suited for Spurs (1. West 2. Rondo 3. Telfair 4. Ray)
3. Beno/Oberto/Draft Pick or Euro rights for Chucky Atkins - Chuckster is definitely the most talent scoring PG out there and has reasonable salary plus expiring contract..the Grizzlies no they will not resign him thus would enertain reasonable offers..giving up Beno Memphis gets a young guy with some potential, Oberto (expiring contract), and draft pick or rights to Euro player.
Other than these guys most trades seem nearly impossible...alot of PGs available (Watson,Claxton,James,Jaric) make too much and have 4yr deals or longer...some of these guys may be had but would reguire Spurs give up Barry+Beno+pick/rights and dont see FO doing that for overpaid, long term contracts. Others just aren't realistic (see JKidd)
ANYONE HAVE OTHER POSSIBLILTIES??
Beno for Kevin Johnson...
how many more trade scenarios do we need to discuss?
Raps don't need another PG ; they are more than fine with Ford and Calderon
Actually I hadn't thought about the Fred Jones one...but he makes $4M over the next 3 or 4 years...so too much, too long...
He also sucks.
Only the third seems possible. I wd under no account trade a draft pick or Euro right in any way for Atkins, however.
He acutally makes 3.1 mil for 2 years
I agree if anyone is offering anything better then this doesn't work, but as it is they have 3 PG on the team and Beno saves them money while Oberto gives them an expiring contract
Doesn't Oberto have a player option for next season?
Beno for KOBE
Beno and Manu for Kidd and Carter.
Then Jackie Butler and Oberto for Ben Wallace and Deng.
I can't imagine anyone in the league is too anxious to give up very much at all for Beno at this point.
I also think, whether its prudent or not, that the Spurs are happy with Jacque Vaughn becoming more comfortable leading the 2nd unit. From hearing Mike Budenholzer last night, it sure sounds like that change is permanent (which, in relative terms, seems like a good thing) and that the staff is willing to give Vaughn some time to settle in. Budenholzer suggested last night that as Vaughn gets more PT, his willingness to be a vocal leader on and off the floor increases. Like I say, I'm not entirely sold that Jacque Vaughn is an optimal choice to play significant playoff minutes at the point for this team, but it would seem that the Spurs have now made the decision to proceed with that plan.
I'd be shocked if the Spurs made a deal to acquire a PG before the deadline; I'd think that if they can find a way to move Beno and other assets, it will be to acquire a wing-type player.
Fab has 2.5 mil PO.
Beno makes 967,920 this year, 1,747,095 next, and 2,603,172 QO in '08-'09.
Ely (3,308,615) Bonner (2,000,000) and Vaughn (1,071,225) are all 1-year deals.
Barry (5,554,370) Horry (3,630,000) Sisco (3,000,000) and White (427,163) are all under contract next year.
Bruce has 4.125 mil TO
Finley has 3.103 mil PO
The ONLY Spur besides the big 3 that is under contract PAST next year is Butler (2.376 in '08 & 2.552in '09).
Dumping Fab when he has a 2.5 mil PO that we don't want makes sense.
Dumping Beno when his salary almost doubles next year (967,920 to 1,747,095) makes even more sense. He was almost a shoo-in to come back this year, because he was so damn cheap. He makes less than Vaughn (1,071,225). You can bring Vaughn back for less than Beno will make next year.
Barry is the 4th highest paid Spur this and next year (and its not even close). I can't imagine keeping him as good basketball or business sense.
Even if Butler does not work for us, he will still be young and great tradebait for teams wanting a C or backup C. 2.5 is a steal the way the C contracts have been recently. I have always believed that the Butler signing was more of an investment than an experiment.
Best business sense in this case mirrors basketball sense. Barry Beno and Fab make a combined 8.6 mil this and 9.8 mil next year. Dead weight all the way.
Trim the fat, and take anything at this point. You've got 18+ mil over 2 years to offer. Bring in any disgruntled, overpaid, decent starting or young backup 3 or 5 and see if he can't contribute more than Barry, who is your only real 'loss'.
Nobody wants that bag udrih, get real.
beno for ameichi
Spurs saved around $1.5M just by making the trade.one other point is this trade isn't about money as many have claimed (insider reports say the Spurs will pay the difference in Ely vs Williams contract)
They saved $1M with this trade.
(($4.3M - $3.3M) * 2) - $500K = $1.5M
How do you get $1M?
Edit: Nevermind, forgot you have to prorate the initial amounts.
Bruno, show your math. How do you get exactly $1M?
It's prorated, too. I'm not sure if you took into account that they don't have to pay the entire difference in salaries. This is actually in the Spurs' disservice, I think.
Yeah, check my edit.
Ok.
I don't think they saved a million or million and a half. They barely saved any money. If there were 31 games left in the season at the time of the trade, then EWill was owed $1,625,609 and Ely was owed $1,247,561. If the Spurs paid the Bobcats the difference in those, then they paid them about $378K. But they would have paid dollar per dollar tax on that $378K if they paid it to EWill.
So basically, they saved $378K.
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