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    Wrong on both counts. Neither of your fallacies apply.
    Think of it as a pre-emptive strike for the next Global Warming argument when someone goes "But, but, AL GORE doesn't conserve energy!!"

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    Well this is a bit confusing. All along Yoni has claimed that he doesn't buy the global warming debate the way it is beign waged in the arena of ideas. So if Yoni doesn't believe it's happening how can he call anyone a hypocrite of not living up to their words on global warming. It doesn't exist right Yoni? So why bother criticizing Gore or anyone else for being hypocrites on something that doesn't even exist?.. Yoni are you now accepting the fact that man has contributed to the to global warming? Halleluya!!!!! Yoni now is on our side. Great job bud welcome aboard!!!
    Smoke less pot.

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    Think of it as a pre-emptive strike for the next Global Warming argument when someone goes "But, but, AL GORE doesn't conserve energy!!"
    Guess I'll bite if nobody else will.

    Please explain to us why the you think the Tennesse Center for Policy Research (a nonprofit, nonpartisan organization) would feel the need to launch a "pre-emptive strike" against Al Gore and global warming?

    Too funny how this topic turns tree hugging libs into card carrying appologists for the energy devouring ultra rich.

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    To all those who call Gore a hypocrite. Let's say Gore agrees with you. Can he possibly ride a bike, use mass transit, etc.. without the possibilty of being harmed? Wouldn't a former Vice President put himself at a higher risk of assault or worse if he put himself in these situations? If he still has secret service protection wouldn't theese situations put them at risk as well? Especially with people out there like Yoni and ray? My point is this guy or any former Vice President cannot simply jump on a bike and ride to work. So then to say he shouldn't use private planes or should live on Yoni's street etc. because he believes in global warming is silly..
    Except that we're not talking about any of those things. We're talking about his increased consumption at his personal home during a time when he's pleading with the rest of us to reduce our personal consumption...for the sake of the world!

    What was it he said? Oh yeah, all it takes is the will and that's a renewable resource.

    What a crock of lard he is.

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    Please explain to us why the you think the Tennesse Center for Policy Research (a nonprofit, nonpartisan organization) would feel the need to launch a "pre-emptive strike" against Al Gore and global warming?
    I don't.

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    Well this is a bit confusing. All along Yoni has claimed that he doesn't buy the global warming debate the way it is beign waged in the arena of ideas. So if Yoni doesn't believe it's happening how can he call anyone a hypocrite of not living up to their words on global warming. It doesn't exist right Yoni? So why bother criticizing Gore or anyone else for being hypocrites on something that doesn't even exist?.. Yoni are you now accepting the fact that man has contributed to the to global warming? Halleluya!!!!! Yoni now is on our side. Great job bud welcome aboard!!!
    Why am I not surprised by your confusion.

    I talk about Gore's hypocrisy without even mentioning the merits of his "global climate change" nonsense and you, somehow, come to the conclusion one must agree with his underlying premise in order to call him a hypocrite for not practicing what he's preaching?

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    [/B]...in decades or longer...
    You guys need to make up your minds on this issue.

    Is it the hottest it's been in 113 years or 1,000 years or is it now "decades or longer?"

    Guess what, there are places experiencing cold temperatures they haven't seen in a long time either.

    It's called weather.

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    Too funny how this topic turns tree hugging libs into card carrying appologists for the energy devouring ultra rich.
    And love to tell others how bad us non-believers in man
    made global warming. , man is just a pimple on
    earths butt. We can't control weather in any way shape, form
    or fashion. If we can how come we still have hurricanes, tornado's
    and bad storms. All we have to do is tame eveything to
    a nice spring, gentle rain...........and plan on what days
    we want it. Right? As matter of fact, how many
    degrees has old mother earth warmed in the last
    century. Anyone want to hazard a guess?

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    Calling him a hypocrite is fine, but let's not pretend the source doesn't have an opinion on the legitimacy of GW theories and an agenda in making this accusation.

    Pretty weak to compare against "average households" though, for reasons that should be pretty obvious to anyone.
    Well, that was only part of the equation. The most damning part is that his energy consumption, in that same house, has risen markedly in the time since he became the Goracle of Global Warming.

    There's where the hypocrisy comes in.

    But, you're right, compared to other mansions, he's probably about average.

    Now, when you look at President Bush's modest ranch house, he actually uses approximately 25% of what other homes his size do. And, he built that place green.

    You can either bloviate about an issue or you can lead by example.

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    So stop trying to attack "the source" then.

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    Why?

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    Trying to explain carbon credit to a neo-conservative is like trying to calculus to a dexlexic and your 'non-profit organization' has deep connections to the American Enterprise Ins ute, which is a lobby group funded by Exxon, but let's ignore all these facts because they don't fit in to conservative attack on Gore.

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    Trying to explain carbon credit to a neo-conservative is like trying to calculus to a dexlexic
    Agreed; "trying to calculus to a dexlexic" is a real .

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    Carbon credits, offsets, and emissions credits are the modern day equivalent, in the Church of Liberalism, of the indulgences sold in the Catholic Church in the 16th Century.

    All the movement needs now is a Martin Luther.

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    Trying to explain carbon credit to a neo-conservative is like trying to calculus to a dexlexic and your 'non-profit organization' has deep connections to the American Enterprise Ins ute, which is a lobby group funded by Exxon, but let's ignore all these facts because they don't fit in to conservative attack on Gore.
    The discussion begins and ends with "20-room, eight-bathroom." I will never, EVER, take moral guidance from an over-satiated person.

    You fill in the blanks as you see fit Dan; me, I concur -heartedly that Gore is the epitome of hypocrite. Despite what you read and percieve, Gore and Dubya are two peas in a pod.

    ............

    Al rhymes with Gore
    Coincidence I think not
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    Gore and Dubya are two peas in a pod.
    I beg to differ...

    Not every wealthy politician lives in a vast private mansion, and TreeHugger.com reports on one who lives more simply:

    Is it possible that George Bush is a secret Green? Evidently his Crawford Winter White House has 25,000 gallons of rainwater storage, gray water collection from sinks and showers for irrigation, passive solar, geothermal heating and cooling. "By marketplace standards, the house is startlingly small," says David Heymann, the architect of the 4,000-square-foot home. "Clients of similar ilk are building 16-to-20,000-square-foot houses." Furthermore for thermal mass the walls are clad in "discards of a local stone called Leuders limestone, which is quarried in the area. The 12-to-18-inch-thick stone has a mix of colors on the top and bottom, with a cream- colored center that most people want. "They cut the top and bottom of it off because nobody really wants it," Heymann says. "So we bought all this throwaway stone. It's fabulous. It's got great color and it is relatively inexpensive."
    No, Bush and Gore aren't even from the same plant.

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    No, Bush and Gore aren't even from the same plant.
    Tomayto and tomahto are unique plants, I presume.

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    Carbon credits, offsets, and emissions credits are the modern day equivalent, in the Church of Liberalism, of the indulgences sold in the Catholic Church in the 16th Century.

    All the movement needs now is a Martin Luther.

    That was great. Funny and true.

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    Shouldn't his mansion be compared to other mansions?
    Of course he shouldn't be living in one in the first place.

    And while I agree that humans are a "pimple on the Earth", we have managed to cut down half of the forests on the planet and put a timetable on oil, natural gas, copper, ect measurable in human lifetimes. It's just ignorant to pretend we cannot affect anything and that the earth will just keep replenishing itself for our uses.

    Better safe than sorry. I'm glad I will be long dead by the time the consequences of our treatment towards the planet take effect.

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    I'll put this here since this seems to be the newest global warming thread.
    I found this on Drudge just now: more calls for a global tax on emissions to fight GW. This will probably all come together just in time for President Rodham to ram it through congress.

    http://www.voanews.com/english/2007-02-28-voa2.cfm

    Holdren, however, says even these measure will achieve very little unless they are accompanied by a global tax on greenhouse gas emissions. "We don't think ultimately society will get it right in terms of the full range and scope of activities needed to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, until there is an additional incentive in the form of a price on greenhouse gas emissions, either through a carbon tax or a cap and trade approach," he said.

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    Gore and Dubya are two peas in a pod.
    I disagree. As the leader of America, Dubya has the opportunity to sponsor change in the U.S. share of world-wide carbon foot-print on a massive scale. You know, stuff like mandating higher car fuel efficiency. Tax credits for replacing incandecent light bulbs with florescent. Tax credits for keeping your tires properly inflated and your car tuned up, or buying a electric lawn mower, weed-eater, and edger.

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    Trumped up political bull ?

    ..But electric company spokeswoman Laurie Parker said the utility never got a request from the policy center and never provided them with any information.

    Parker said Gore has been purchasing the "green power" for $432 a month since November. The Gore home is also under renovation to add solar panels, Kreider said.
    MSNBC

    Looks like someone forgot to hide their tracks...

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    Legitimated the AP can not, thanks in large part to no-other than Steven Colbert who was able to find this on the TCPR, Gore's accuser extra-ordinaire...

    The group is a front for the GOP so they can collect tax free dollars and pay their underlings to do political hatchet jobs..

    That is basically all these "Think" tanks are anyway....

    Large donors set up shakey foundations that allow tax deductible contributions to be made....

    The City Paper of Nashville ran this article that Colbert was able to find...

    The TCPR is a think-tank based in Nashville focused on issues of government accountability, smaller government and lower taxes. The TCPR was recently in the news for being denied state budget figures it requested from the Tennessee Department of Revenue. Revenue department employees in state emails claimed the TCPR was not a “legitimate” group.
    Linky

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    ^and now this thread will be utterly abandoned.

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    ^and now this thread will be utterly abandoned.

    Has anybody denied the validity of the accusation - that Gore spends ridiculous amounts (relatively) for energy for his home? The initial response from the Gore camp....errrr, office, didn't.

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