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    ...and again and again.


    POWER: GORE MANSION USES 20X AVERAGE HOUSEHOLD; CONSUMPTION INCREASE AFTER 'TRUTH'

    Mon Feb 26 2007 17:16:14 ET

    The Tennessee Center for Policy Research, an independent, nonprofit and nonpartisan research organization committed to achieving a freer, more prosperous Tennessee through free market policy solutions, issued a press release late Monday:

    Last night, Al Gore’s global-warming do entary, An Inconvenient Truth, collected an Oscar for best do entary feature, but the Tennessee Center for Policy Research has found that Gore deserves a gold statue for hypocrisy.

    Gore’s mansion, [20-room, eight-bathroom] located in the posh Belle Meade area of Nashville, consumes more electricity every month than the average American household uses in an entire year, according to the Nashville Electric Service (NES).

    In his do entary, the former Vice President calls on Americans to conserve energy by reducing electricity consumption at home.

    The average household in America consumes 10,656 kilowatt-hours (kWh) per year, according to the Department of Energy. In 2006, Gore devoured nearly 221,000 kWh—more than 20 times the national average.

    Last August alone, Gore burned through 22,619 kWh—guzzling more than twice the electricity in one month than an average American family uses in an entire year. As a result of his energy consumption, Gore’s average monthly electric bill topped $1,359.

    Since the release of An Inconvenient Truth, Gore’s energy consumption has increased from an average of 16,200 kWh per month in 2005, to 18,400 kWh per month in 2006.

    Gore’s extravagant energy use does not stop at his electric bill. Natural gas bills for Gore’s mansion and guest house averaged $1,080 per month last year.

    “As the spokesman of choice for the global warming movement, Al Gore has to be willing to walk to walk, not just talk the talk, when it comes to home energy use,” said Tennessee Center for Policy Research President Drew Johnson.

    In total, Gore paid nearly $30,000 in combined electricity and natural gas bills for his Nashville estate in 2006.

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    Nicole Williams, (615) 383-6431
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    ing hypocrite.

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    Wrong on both counts. Neither of your fallacies apply.

    This has nothing to do with whether or not his movie is accurate and everything to do with the hypocrite increasing his own "carbon footprint" while pleading with others to reduce their for the sake of the world.

    It's the very definition of hypocrite.

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    Do as I say, not as I do.

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    What can he do? Tipper keeps turning all the lights on.

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    Wrong on both counts. Neither of your fallacies apply.

    This has nothing to do with whether or not his movie is accurate and everything to do with the hypocrite increasing his own "carbon footprint" while pleading with others to reduce their for the sake of the world.

    It's the very definition of hypocrite.
    So basically what you are saying is... both fallacies do apply?

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    So basically what you are saying is... both fallacies do apply?
    No.

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    Does he fly commericial, or private jet?

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    Wrong on both counts. Neither of your fallacies apply.

    This has nothing to do with whether or not his movie is accurate and everything to do with the hypocrite increasing his own "carbon footprint" while pleading with others to reduce their for the sake of the world.

    It's the very definition of hypocrite.
    Exactly. It has nothing to do with the validity of global warming or his movie and everything to do with Al Gore being a textbook "do what I say, just don't expect me to do it because I'm too important" elitist.

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    Not so fast...

    It comes as no surprise that the right wingers are responding to Al Gore winning the Oscar for An Inconvenient Truth by attempting to swift boat him with attacks based upon the amount of energy he personally uses. While they still attempt to, it is getting harder for conservatives to deny the science of climate change now that it has become the consensus of scientific thought. This leaves their most common strategy of resorting to smears, knowing that the conservative pundits and bloggers will repeat any claim without any requirement for evidence. No matter that all the do ented evidence refuted the claims about John Kerry, and that his accusers were found to be paid partisan hacks with a political agenda--its an attack on a Democrat so it will be passed off as truth.

    Just as the Swift Boat liars were found have an agenda, James Johnson and James Boyce have found that those raising the charges against Gore are also Republican partisans. So far they have uncovered the following:

    Tennessee Center's President Drew Johnson comes straight out of the right's network, coming from Exxon-funded American Enterprise Ins ute and the right-wing-funded National Taxpayers Foundation.

    They are part of the right's State Policy Network. According to PFAW,

    "SPN is a national network of state-based right-wing organizations in 37 states as well as prominent nationwide right-wing organizations. Through its network SPN advances the public policy ideas of the expansive right-wing political movement on the state and local level."

    As of Feb. 16, the Tennessee tax dept. considers them "not a legitimate organization" because of their misrepresenting themselves involving questions about the group's opposition to a state crackdown on drug dealers.


    Think Progress has contacted Al Gore for further clarification. (By the way, if you need evidence of how little regard right wingers have for honesty or rational though, check out the comments by a troll there by the name of Patrick1.) Think Progress received the following answers:

    1) Gore’s family has taken numerous steps to reduce the carbon footprint of their private residence, including signing up for 100 percent green power through Green Power Switch, installing solar panels, and using compact fluorescent bulbs and other energy saving technology.

    2) Gore has had a consistent position of purchasing carbon offsets to offset the family’s carbon footprint — a concept the right-wing fails to understand. Gore’s office explains:

    What Mr. Gore has asked is that every family calculate their carbon footprint and try to reduce it as much as possible. Once they have done so, he then advocates that they purchase offsets, as the Gore’s do, to bring their footprint down to zero.

    In a sense purchasing carbon offsets is something that conservatives, who claim to support the free market except when it comes to the real world, should understand. Of course we understand their mind set which makes them not want to understand or acknowledge such a solution.

    The mind set in work here is to paint the opponents as extremist crazies and only attack the straw men they create, as opposed to responding to their opponents' actual views. To the conservatives those who of us who oppose the Iraq war as being counter to our national interests are unwilling to defend America from real dangers. Those who exercise our rights to criticize the government are called unpatriotic traitors. Those who oppose the corporate-welfare schemes of the Republicans are called socialists. Similarly, when dealing with global warming they try to obfuscate the fact that this represents the consensus of the scientific community by claiming it is a religion. They claim those who speak of climate change are tree huggers who oppose the advantages of modern life. When they run into those who want to take real world action, such as lowering their carbon footprint and buying offsets while still living an affluent life style, they call them hypocrites for not living as predicted by their phoney stereotypes. Al Gore's sin here is not his actions, but not being the caricature of an environmentalist which they would make him out to be.
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    It's been cold. What the ? At least he didn't start a pointless, billion dollar war.

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    You assholes were'nt this forgiving to Mark Foley.

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    You assholes were'nt this forgiving to Mark Foley.
    He ed dudes. Why should that be forgiven?

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    http://www.treehugger.com/files/2007...eorge_bush.php

    Meanwhile...at the Western Whitehouse:




    Evidently his Crawford Winter White House has 25,000 gallons of rainwater storage, gray water collection from sinks and showers for irrigation, passive solar, geothermal heating and cooling. “By marketplace standards, the house is startlingly small,” says David Heymann, the architect of the 4,000-square-foot home. “


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    Would somebody please explain carbon offsets?

    At first glance it looks like a scam to take money from liberals who are too busy to be green; but to make them feel good, anyway.

    I would like an explanation of them if someone could bother to do so.

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    So, are their numbers correct or not?

    Looks like the article you posted, Dan, sets up a straw man, and doesn't respond to the charge of the original post.

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    So it's OK that he uses 20 times the amount of energy the average American family uses (in his Nashville residence alone), because he buys carbon credits? He gets up on a soapbox and tells other people to cut down their energy consumption but he doesn't follow his own advice. He preaches to use mass transit, to bike and walk, but he continues to use private jets. What's unbelievable is that he doesn't get called on it.

    I do believe GW is an issue that needs to be addressed. We do need to act, but I don't need a career politician telling me to change the way I live when he uses 20 times the amount of energy I do.

    Pretty funny that some of you libs are ok with Gore buying carbon credits to cover his fat polluting ass.

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    Why doesn't he buy carbon credits AND reduce his personal consumption?

    Seriously, it'd be one thing if his mansion's energy consumption had stayed level or dropped after his "global climate change" bloviations started. But, to have a marked increase?

    The guy's a fraud.



    I think it's ing hilarious that the Goracle of Global Warming keeps getting shafted by the cold.

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    Well this is a bit confusing. All along Yoni has claimed that he doesn't buy the global warming debate the way it is beign waged in the arena of ideas. So if Yoni doesn't believe it's happening how can he call anyone a hypocrite of not living up to their words on global warming. It doesn't exist right Yoni? So why bother criticizing Gore or anyone else for being hypocrites on something that doesn't even exist?.. Yoni are you now accepting the fact that man has contributed to the to global warming? Halleluya!!!!! Yoni now is on our side. Great job bud welcome aboard!!!

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    Why doesn't he buy carbon credits AND reduce his personal consumption?

    Seriously, it'd be one thing if his mansion's energy consumption had stayed level or dropped after his "global climate change" bloviations started. But, to have a marked increase?

    The guy's a fraud.




    I think it's ing hilarious that the Goracle of Global Warming keeps getting shafted by the cold.



    That's wierd you were no where to be found when it was 70 degrees in New York a few weeks ago..hadn't been warm like that in decades or longer.. I guess you only point out the weather when they suit your purpose .. gotcha

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    are you now accepting the fact that man has contributed to the to global warming?
    Gore has produced a lot of hot air in his time...

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    Well this is a bit confusing. All along Yoni has claimed that he doesn't buy the global warming debate the way it is beign waged in the arena of ideas. So if Yoni doesn't believe it's happening how can he call anyone a hypocrite of not living up to their words on global warming. It doesn't exist right Yoni? So why bother criticizing Gore or anyone else for being hypocrites on something that doesn't even exist?.. Yoni are you now accepting the fact that man has contributed to the to global warming? Halleluya!!!!! Yoni now is on our side. Great job bud welcome aboard!!!
    You used confused logic, GGA.

    Yoni is calling Gore a hypocrite for not practicing what he is preaching. Perfectly legitimate argument.

    I would suggest however, that based on evidence presented by the lead article of this thread, regardless of its source, Yoni and Gore agree on whether human-caused global-warming is actually occurring.

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    You used confused logic, GGA.

    Yoni is calling Gore a hypocrite for not practicing what he is preaching. Perfectly legitimate argument.

    I would suggest however, that based on evidence presented by the lead article of this thread, regardless of its source, Yoni and Gore agree on whether human-caused global-warming is actually occurring.

    Well let me ask you this way. People who don't believe (talk radio jargon) the left's new religion and don't alter their lifestyles because of global warming. Are they hypocrites? No because they don't believe man has anything to do with it or they think man can't do anything to slow it down. They don't believe it so can they then argue that someone is being a hypocrite for something they know not to be a fact?

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    keep asking questions George Gervin's Afro's Avatar
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    To all those who call Gore a hypocrite. Let's say Gore agrees with you. Can he possibly ride a bike, use mass transit, etc.. without the possibilty of being harmed? Wouldn't a former Vice President put himself at a higher risk of assault or worse if he put himself in these situations? If he still has secret service protection wouldn't theese situations put them at risk as well? Especially with people out there like Yoni and ray? My point is this guy or any former Vice President cannot simply jump on a bike and ride to work. So then to say he shouldn't use private planes or should live on Yoni's street etc. because he believes in global warming is silly..

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    Calling him a hypocrite is fine, but let's not pretend the source doesn't have an opinion on the legitimacy of GW theories and an agenda in making this accusation.

    Pretty weak to compare against "average households" though, for reasons that should be pretty obvious to anyone.

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