no, but they aren't helping themselves...surely you can see that.
O Rly? (I'm about to bust out the damn owls)
You don't think the centuries of society messuring females success in life by how beaitful they were has any effect on things? You don't think that centuries of a woman needing to be beautiful in order to marry a successful (who need not be skinny) man have had any effect on things today?
Right, its all because taht next door fits into a size 3 and the other girl doesn't.
I see the women in this country moving forward everyday. You think that they are regressing? Based upon what?
Why do you think that men are never critiqued? Women do think some men are too skinny, some too fat, some too tall, some too short, and on and on. But women are built differently than men....mentally.
Women have a deeper sense of attraction that goes beyond physical attraction. This is not to say that some women aren't completely shallow and go for looks, or to suggest that men don't put value on personality either....simply that, in general men and women are "wired" differently.
Therefore, a man can be fat, skinny, tall, short, etc. and a woman can still be attracted to them for their other qualities. I do happen to think, however, that women have a primitive desire for men who are bigger and taller. I think it has to do with some level of "security" and primitive attraction to "masculinity", but ask most women and they'll tell you they'd prefer the guy who is a little taller or chubbier than the guy who is short and/or rail thin.
Why do men not feel the need to be skinny the way women do?
Because since...well....forever? the most valuable comodity for a woman was her beauty.
1. of course men like looking at hot women, but its the women who are putting the pressure on themselves, not men
2. you say the vast majority of media is controlled by men, OK, so what? i say the vast majority of fashion and magazines is controlled by women and gay men
3. you are wrong about me liking to see women compete with one another...i am actually the opposite of that
4. i don't think its a man's world anymore, i think its mainly a woman's world now. and while the pay might not be equal or crap like that...that doesn't mean its not a woman's world. business is only one aspect...
5. i don't want this to get off topic, my main point is women are their own problem when it comes to appearances...that doesn't have a lot to do with women's voting and all this other stuff being brought into the equation
Your point would be fine if didn't completely and utterly contradict all history of the western world (and most of the eastern) since civilization began.
You have one of the most warped perceptions of this society that I have ever seen. Congratulations.
@ this being a Woman's world.
Its true man - I hate how they make more money than me and I hate how they are so over represented in leadership positions such as government. That of a president is starting to piss me off. We have a long history of First Gentlemen in this country but god damn it I feel its time for a First Lady.
thats exactly the point. b/c men don't put that pressure on themselves, at least not to the extent that women do.
i'm saying women don't have to feel that way, they don't have to put that pressure on themselves, its OK not to be what they think, they have to be. that their biggest problem is themselves, not all this other garbage about centuries of having to be beautiful, being measured for their beauty, blah, blah, blah. thats basically irrelevant now...it really is.
women can be whatever they want...and they don't have to hate on other women b/c they weren't born with that body type or don't want to work hard enough to achieve it...
if anything Jekka, i'm the opposite of a jerk.
So wait....this has nothing to do with Men at all? Why pose the question about men never being critiqued and then switch it around to women. Why not just le the thread "Women are the root cause of all desire to make themselves beautiful!"
Centuries? It's always been that way...just like men have always been measured by their ability to provide.
Now, as far as pressuring women to become thinner?
I think that trend is feminine driven and a direct result of feminine independence.
It's it's own movement with little or no male encouragement.
You good look at the countries where women do not have equal rights, including this country a hundred years ago or so, where the men are more in charge of picking their mate...and the women are heavier.
Hmmm...You don't think that centuries of a woman needing to be beautiful in order to marry a successful (who need not be skinny) man have had any effect on things today?
The way you describe it actually makes it sound female driven...but I know what you are saying.
Go back far enough to hunter gather era and what was it...
Was it men wanting women to stay at home while they went and did all the dangerous work?
Was it women figuring out that by looks and charms they could get the men to do work they didn't want to do?
Or was it simply a case of...they had to stay home and take care of the kids?
With the trend towards skinny?Right, its all because taht next door fits into a size 3 and the other girl doesn't.
Yeah...it is.
It's not male driven look.
Even as women have been growing thinner for much of the past century...the top sex symbols have always been more voluptuous than what is viewed as the typical woman of their respective eras, not less.
Mae West
Marylin Monroe
In our era?
Jennifer Lopez
Anna Nicole Smith
Halle Berry.
Etc.
You're thoughts on the origins of pressures on women in regards to beauty are incredibly incorrect. Pick up a gender studies book or read a study on where these pressures come from if you doubt me.
you are doing a pretty good job here whottt.i think Jekka and MIG are just getting side tracked...
Your assessment isn't based in reality. Men ARE more attracted to fit over fat. Yes women have a choice and there are men who will love women no matter how tall, short, skinny, fat, etc. they are, but they're less likely to find a partner than men who fit in those categories....again, men and women are "wired" differently.
b/c there are other points involved as well...
I tell you what, give me real proof about where the pressure for female weight loss that back up what you 2 are trying to say and then perhaps it'll have some credibility.
Dude, I've jogged myself into a body that is smaller than 150 pounds. From what I can see, and hear from close friends and relatives, men CAN be too skinny.
one person's book/opinion? spare me Jekka. this isn't a mans world anymore, and if you think that b/c business world says otherwise, you are sadly mistaken.
i find it funny that Manny came into this thread...i believe that furthers my point...
Wait - explain how me coming into this thread furthers your point?
Women didn't (and still do not) stay at home in hunter-gatherer societies. Women did all the gathering. So, while women were in charge of maintaining a steady food supply (simultaneously supervising all the children) by gathering food from outside the home, men were out hunting, and the gathering by women both augmented the food from the hunt, or provided sustenance for when the men came home empty-handed.
Com'on, provide some proof.
that hasn't always been the case. there were plenty of society's where fat women were the ones who were desired. it appears Jekka and MIG would have you believe that it is the Mans fault and men and society put these pressures on women...that just isn't the case. women do it to themselves...
That was one example, there are thousands of books out there on the same subject. You are completely delusional if you think that it's a woman's world. We may have more of an effect on commerce than we have ever previously had the opportunity to do, but for most women, it's still a man signing our paychecks.
Ok - if thats the case then it won't be hard for you to provide some proof.
Go ahead because I'm waiting.
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