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im 5'7 50-55kg
target is 65kgz, sitting at home bumbing and posting on forums only got me a pot belly atmthe days of my abs are gone.
yes, i know they have different body chemistry than women...
thoughts?
im 5'7 50-55kg
target is 65kgz, sitting at home bumbing and posting on forums only got me a pot belly atm
my point is simple...its always in the headlines that certain women are too skinny, but why not men? i think:
1. people want what validates their sense of self
2. women don't like to be intimidated by other skinny hot girls, whose body might be unattainable
3. in some ways, i could see certain guys not wanting to admit what they may truly find attractive b/c they don't want their significant other to become unhappy or if they are not in a relationship, tell themselves what they find attractive (larger girls) b/c they know what women they cannot attain (of course there is accounting for wide variety of tastes)
4. i am pretty sure if you asked women, in general, what were their favorite actors, actresses, or models?...it wouldn't be the superfit or superhot ones
...girls are inherently more jealous, irrational, and catty. therefore, you hear more from them about their own gender vs. men.
Because growing up as a woman is different than as a man. There's a reason that anorexia and other eating disorders are almost exclusively female disorders. Yes -- some men are too skinny and whatever, but our culture doesn't focus on that.
Another thing is that the attractive qualities in men tend to be things like muscle mass and neat hair, not skinny bodies. It's easier to be some beer-bellied funny guy than the female equivalent.
It's just a cultural thing.
Try again. How about the fact that it matters less what men look like, and therefore they get criticized less? (That and the fact that if a man expresses his preferences for other men's aesthetics he runs the possibility of having his manhood challenged, by others or himself ... ah phobia.)
As for women being criticized for being too skinny, sometimes it is a jealousy thing, because for most women it is an unattainable standard. Few women naturally have a body type that is encouraged by media employers, so many women starve themselves and become too skinny for their frames because they are told that's what people want to see. One reason women criticize women who starve themselves is because we do sometimes see it as a form of betrayal - they are telling us that it's not okay to look like ourselves, and that we should change ourselves in an unhealthy manner in order to become more like the "ideal". Why do we get "catty"? Because we're ing hungry.
Men can be "too skinny" or have a few extra pounds, wrinkles, gray hair, etc - in other words, it's much more okay for men to look however they naturally look. I'm not saying that men do not have certain social standards of beauty, but they are FAR less stringent than those for women.
yes, i know what you are saying...but,
1. don't some guys strive to get muscled up and workout for physical image as well...some even use supplements and steroids that are unhealthy. how is that any different?
2. on the flip side, having a beer belly or being overweight is actually worse than being too skinny...especially if you are a guy
3. i am trying to go beyond the simple answers you have give (no offense), and focus on the outcry...when in actuality the 'pressure' women feel to be fit is a lot of the same pressure guys feel to get in shape...whether or not it is for the same reason
1. i don't think it matters less what men look like for women (although thats probably the case to a degree), i think it matters less what men look like to some men
2. but women don't have to starve themselves to look like those other women...yes there are all types of body sizes, and yes some bodies are unattainable for some women. i say be happy who you are and quit being jealous...or, work out harder and eat better
3. why do you think its OK for men to look 'not as appealing'? i think its probably due to the fact that they don't create their own problem...at least not nearly as much
IMO, women are the ones pusing themselves to become skinnier, not men.
Look at the countries where women have the most rights and independence and you will see countries with a trend towards skinner women...
Breast reduction? Wasn't a man that came up with that idea. Does not compute.
Women figured out a long time ago that they could get what they want by using their looks(among other things) and since then it's been a non-stop compe ion amongs women to improve their appearance.
It's not the man that tells the woman to go spend an hour putting on makeup, or that her butt looks too big, or that one pair of shoes looks uglier than the other...
Or to get that botox crap injected into their face and that collagen crap into their lips.
Or driving the multi billion dollar clothing and cosmetic industries that are so strong in countries where women are more or less independent.
It's what women do to themselves...basically, to get what they want...and it works. And it's what they want to spend their money on as well.
I'm not saying all women are like this, nor am I saying that all men don't put pressure on their woman to look a certain way...
But the major driving factor in our culture is simple feminine vanity.
Whitley's obsession with a thin woman is a minority view on this forum...put Miller up against Salma(who's not a beanpole and 40 years old) and see what happens.
If men were in control of this ALL women would have D cup racks(among other things), no surgery necessary
Last edited by whottt; 03-06-2007 at 06:36 AM.
1. you are starting to hit on some of the points i am trying to make, but you aren't there yet
2. my obsession with Marisa Miller? there are other girls in my top 10 that are less FIT than Marisa...btw, i happen to find Salma very attractive. also, i didn't know beanpoles had a big chest and ass (marisa does)?
3. as for the poll? your prediction on what would happen is part of the mental conditioning process i am talking about...not that some people wouldn't find Salma hotter than Marisa...i could understand that
^^^especially in a latin community, such as San Antonio
You start a thread about men never being considered too skinny in order to attack women. Thats classic.
Thats one of the most idiotic statments I've ever read in my life.
This thread has little to do with men and what is acceptable as far as male appearance as it has to do with JGW wanting to call out women for pressuring each other. Why didn't you just start a thread led Women Hate Women? Thats essentially what you keep saying.
I don't think you understand the culture wide pressures women feel in many societies or how different the social interactions of men and women within their genders and within society as a whole are. No offense but having this conversation on this message board isn't going to reveal some mind opening viewpoints to you. If you really have an interest in the subject try picking up a book or 2 on gender studies.
I don't think JGW intended this as a thread to say women put pressure on each other...he's madly in love with a very thin woman and is asking why men are never considered thin...
I don't really see how he can have the agenda you claim given those factors. I mean if anything he considers that pressure a positive given his own preference...so why would he call it out?
sort of.
You start a thread about men never being considered too skinny in order to attack women. Thats classic.
So he's trying to figure out why men don't have to be skinny by posting about nothing but women?
Ok.
whats idiotic about it?
The pressures women feel about their bodies are incomparable to any pressures men feel about their bodies. You cannot possibly believe they are the same in any way shape or form.
b/c i am making a point, its quite lucid, actually.
of course i understand the culture wide pressures...women do it to themselves. its not that i am trying to enlighten myself...quite the opposite actually...
1. Men control the vast majority of the media - men are not nearly as inundated with pressure to look a certain way. Men don't care quite as much how they compare to each other ... unless it's a phallic matter, then they do care.
2. Women are conditioned from birth to care more about aesthetics - by both genders. Studies show that girls in grade school are praised more frequently for their handwriting than they are for critical thinking. "Be happy who you are and quit being jealous"? Are you volunteering to recondition every woman in developed countries? Frankly, I don't think you mind women competing with other women, because I think you like to watch, and I think you like that Marisa Miller's ribcage is completely visible in your avatar. Why else would you ignore her best asset - that being her ass?
3. Again, see #1 - men control the vast majority of what we see - via television, newspaper, magazines, billboards, internet, etc. You can't turn around without being subjected to media influence and its values. Women have been conditioned for thousands of years that her most important contribution to society is how she looks to it. There are exceptions to every rule, and sometimes there are signs of progress, but for the most part, it's a man's world. As women, we don't create our own problem, we resume where other women left off, and our aesthetic values were not created by ourselves.
I realize that I will never change your ignorance by making a few posts on the internet, but it does make me feel a little better to publicly call you ignorant asshole.
No, simply because as you pointed out, IMO accurately, the pressure for women to be thinner is primarily driven by other women, not men.
Salma would win because she's better looking...fuller figured, and IMO, that's what most men prefer.
And I don't recall saying Marissa was a beanpole, only that Salma wasn't.
Women don't just do it to themselves. Do you realize how simplistic that sounds? You're trying to put a society wide phenomenon into the phrase "women do it to themselves"?
I suppose you believe that women not being allowed to vote until the last century was simply something they did to themselves? I suppose you believe that women being paid less than men is a result of cattiness?
You're hillarious.
are you and Jekka a couple? i want to say that i saw a reference to it somewhere, but i am not sure. though it would make sense...
Yes, we are a couple, and he is defending women because if he doesn't I will withhold sex.
I don't know about Whitley...but the pressure to be thinner is nearly totally driven by other females and pretty much, not at all, by men. I mean yeah men don't want a bull elephant for a girlfriend...but I don't think most men are into that ultrathin supermodel look with the breadbasket abs...I think that's definitely a feminine view of beauty.
I'm suprised it took this long to be brought up. We were just talking about how we hated posting in these threads because inevitably some bull like that gets brought up.
Yeah, we're a couple. It makes sense because I don't date stupid women so naturally anyone who is dating me would have enough sense and intelligence not to recognize the stupidity in posts like this.
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