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Dirk lost his MVP last night and Nash won the MVP last night. Writers will remember Nash's clutchness and Dirk faultering in the 4th with missed free thows
yes nash is amazing...and dirk should not be guarding him, that's ridiculous
Dirk lost his MVP last night and Nash won the MVP last night. Writers will remember Nash's clutchness and Dirk faultering in the 4th with missed free thows
There are still quite a few games left, including Dallas @ Phoenix...
and Walton is a blubbering idiot (in general, not because he said Nash won the MVP last night)...
LZ Granderson:
"OK, can we stop with this debate once and for all? Anyone who watched the the Suns' 129-127, 2-OT road win over the Mavs knows Dirk Nowitzki is not the league's MVP. He's not even the MVP of his team. He's a great player. He's an All-Star. But the league's MVP drew two crucial fouls and scored 10 points in the final 57 seconds of regulation, including the 3-pointer to send the game into the first OT. The MVP made the defensive play of the game, deflecting the ball out of bounds off Jason Terry in the closing seconds of the second overtime.
The true MVP is Steve Nash -- again. The tighter the game became, the more Dirk disappeared. The more Dirk hesitated the more Nash dictated. This isn't about numbers, or missed shots -- though had Dirk made both free throws near the end of regulation the game would have been over. No, this is about heart. Jerry Stackhouse has it. Jason Terry has it. Josh Howard has it. But with all due respect to Mark Cuban, last night showed us all what Dwyane Wade was talking about when he basically said Dirk choked in the Finals. Listen, the big guy brings a lot to his basketball team, but heart ain't on the list.
That doesn't mean the Mavs won't win the championship. It just means Dirk's not the deciding factor in the team doing so. I know it was just one game but it was a very important game. One in which the Mavs needed to send a message. In a close contest between two excellent basketball teams, the MVP is suppossed to be the difference-maker. Anyone who watched knows who stepped up when their team needed them to and who let their team down. The final play of the game summed it up perfectly -- Dirk missing the shot to tie and Nash snatching the rebound. In my eyes, it wasn't the only thing Nash snatched."
I would have put it a little different, but basically WHAT HE SAID^^^^
It was sad watching Dirk meltdown.
Nash should win the MVP. IMO, it isn't even close. The Suns were 0-3 when Nash sat out three games. He defines that team. Dallas would still be very good without Dirk.
lol, how quickly this idiot forgot about dirk's clutch last shot to win the last time the suns/mavs matched up. give nash the mvp, i could really care less, it will make it that much sweeter when they don't advance out of the west yet again for the third year straight...he'll be the only three time mvp winner to not win a championship
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It's reading crap like that that helps make the argument that the MVP should be awarded after the season.
I am in total agreement. Nash's plays will be remembered. The shots, the assists, the bounce off Terry. Just the fact that the Suns were down by 15 going in to the fourth! And Nash engineers a victory?!?! Amazing. That's my MVP.
Anyone that's going to have their vote swayed after one game needs to have their head examined.
Yep. I will always remember watching Nash sky up to snatch that last rebound. As one of the commentators said, "It's not how small you are, but how big you play." As tall as Dirk is, Nash is an inch taller.
no, they won't...know why? nobody remembers the clutch shot dirk made to win the game the last time they matched up...nobody remembers the 54 he dumped on the suns last season...stop being so freakin' dramatic, nobody will remember nash unless he wins a trophy. i'm not saying that he's not a great baller, he's one of the best without a doubt and plays with an amazing amount of talent. however, nobody will remember this a year from now, only freaks like us who cheer for the spurs, suns and mavs to beat up on each other. although, if nash gets his third mvp and no trophy, THAT will certainly be remembered. people always like to point out the good ones with no trophy and nash would probably be at the top of that pile.
ponky, everyone remembers those moments
in fact, a lot of Mavs fans have reminded us of that over and over again... if I have to hear about our 2006 rental player (Tim Thomas) blowing a kiss to Dirk again, I might shoot someone.
like i said above, only mavs, suns, spurs freaks remember that as fodder to talk smack online. learn to read before posting.
there'd be nothing better than to see anybody but dirk win it.
seriously, who cares? it's been like a consolation prize for nash the last two years. give it to him again, maybe it'll piss off dirk enough that he'll stop having cuddle fests with nash everytime the two teams match up
more than Spurs/Mavs/Suns fans... real NBA fans remember it.... you know that.
We're the only ones that bring it up to talk .
I agree with you that Lebron should win it.
you're probably right...real nba fans, unlike some of the idiots here, would remember nash's good performance last night as well as dirk's performances prior to last night...however, we're talking about a small minority of people, most casual fans can't even name every single player on the team they root for, like the last 2-3 guys on the bench. most nba fans are casual fans and that's mostly what matters, this is what the media feeds on, they don't linger on one moment for too long, that's what espn classic's for...you've got to be naive as to think that lots of people will remember this game for a long time
Oh, I don't think they'll remember the game as a whole, but they will definitely remember the performances... and possibly the last 11 minutes of the game (including the 2 OTs)
Can I quote Mike Fisher on this? I know R-Mex likes it:
MVP Race Is Over! (In A Month)
The concept slobbered forth by ESPN's Bill Walton as he intro'd the Suns-at-Mavs game to the national audience:
"The MVP race will most likely be decided tonight!''
Somebody get Walton a bib -- and some perspective.
Going into Wednesday's 129-127 double-OT loss to the Suns, Dirk had been pulling away from the compe ion -- the compe ion being Steve Nash. In Phoenix, Nash is surrounded by supposed superstars (I've seen both Amare Stoudemire and Shawn Marion touted as being worthy of MVP votes; Amare's 41 points on Wednesday makes one scoff a little less) while Nowitzki is supported by players usually downgraded as being "complementary.''
That's one way to break a Dirk-vs.-Nash voting tie; say Nash has better teammates. Of course, that seems subjective at the least, and maybe even arbitrary; out of nowhere on Wednesday comes Jerry Stackhouse with his 33 points, his biggest Mavs outburst in the biggest Mavs game of the year. So just how lacking in Dallas' "supporting cast,'' really?
Another way would be to reward the MVP candidate who leads his team to the best record in the league. As a tie-breaker, that makes sense. For that reason, Nash supports Dirk. (He also supports Dirk because he's an unselfish friend; Dirk likewise supports Nash, and I'm imagining that when they dined together in Uptown on Tuesday night, they fought to pik up the tab, maybe even fought to see which guy would get to hold the restaurant door open for the other, kind of like those overly polite chipmunks. ... squirrels? ... in the old Warner Bros. cartoons.)
A more immediate, fast-food-era solution: Head-to-head. Walton leans that way. So, even do some of the otherwise right-thinking folks at SLAM, where Dirk is today being dismissed as a choker -- and worse, as a Chris Webber clone.(Yeccch.)
First of all, to the numbers:
Nash's line: 32 points, eight rebounds, 16 assists. Crazy good.
Nowitzki's line: 30 points and 16 rebounds and six assists. Pretty much equally crazy good.
Nash, essentially, made one more shot than Dirk made. If Dirk hits a free throw at the end of regulation, Dallas wins. And then what? HE'S suddenly the MVP? Because he made a free throw?
Nah. Dirk's body of work will be 82 games long. You can't give an MVP based on one game, just because the two candidates went head-to-head! What if Nash plays poorly this weekend? Do we get to retract our pronouncements? On April 1, they play again. Should Dirk not show up because two-time MVP Nash is an "amazing, MVP-clinching'' 1-2 against him this year? If the Mavs win that game, you know, they will be 3-1 this year against Nash's Suns -- but Nash deserves the MVP because he played one point better than Dirk in THE ONE GAME OUT OF FOUR PHOENIX WON?
Think of it this way: If Dirk makes a free throw, do his critics suddenly shift gears and declare HIM the MVP because his team won?
I didn't think so.
(Geez. Why must I always be the one in charge of logic around here? Oh, along with ESPN's Marc Stein and his even-handed look at the game.)
"The MVP race will most likely be decided tonight!''?
Nope. Another month. A looong month. Including high-profile games against Detroit, San Antonio and yes, Phoenix. Another month. That'll make 82 games. Then comes a decision.
What did we really learn about the MVP race on Wednesday? That for the 1,940,321th consecutive time, Bill Walton is slobberingly and droolingly wrong.
Nothing's been decided. 'Cept for that.
One game should not decide a MVP award. It's pathetic how they made such a big deal about this game. Dirk has outplayed Nash all season and than has one bad game and now Nash is MVP? Bull .
It was the biggest free throw he's shot since the Finals last season. It was all about his ability to come through in the clutch, and it wasn't even making a shot with a guy in his face (because he sure as couldn't do that last night either).....it was a IN' FREE THROW! People can say "it was one free throw" all they want...but that free throw had alot more significance than the one point it would have given the Mavs.
Exactly. That's why I said earlier the decision will come after the April game in Phoenix... if Dirk drops 50 in US Airways Center, then he'll lock it up. If he misses a FT that could ice the game, he might lose it. 4 games, a 2-2 split (possibly) could give Nash the award because voters have a very short memory.
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