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  1. #26
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    All I have to say with the recent rash of "selfish" kobe rants is....we won 2 games.
    Also, if anyone of your team's players would of pulled #'s like 65 and 50 back to back these forums would be closed. It's like ing about something that doesn't happen often. It hasn't happened in LA for 40+ years. As a NBA fan, take off the hater glasses and see true talent and greatness for what it is. It's quite sad as fans we can't take off our team colours and see what all of this represents. A player in a league of zone defenses and heightened double and triple teams, scoring like Wilt used to do is astounding.
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    all the hate that players receive just shows how much respect they deserve. I admit, I hate Dirk, because I hate the ball in his hands late in games. Same goes for Kobe, I cheer the guy and am in awe when he goes on scoring sprees like these. But, sorry, Chris Childs, we don't hate you because we respect you, it's because you're a stupid who's only claim to fame is that you punched Kobe in his adams apple.

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    How come you dont blame him? Kobe said it himself that all he care's about is winning. That has nothing to do with the fans. He said I believe when him and Gilbert was going at it, he said he doesn't care about scoring anymore.
    All that stuff is behind him. So why when his team starts losing he starts to ballhog like he usually does instead of making his teammates better like Steve Nash. Come on, you know and I know that Kobe wants it to be all about him.
    it's about balance dumbass...it's ok to pass, it's ok to score, depends on the situation...steve nash couldn't score 50 like kobe, he has to pass sometimes

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    He does care about winning...and right now Kobe scoring helps his team win. He balanced this earlier in the season, too many injuries and no chemistry...so he'll keep chucking and if he continues to shoot 50%+ than I'm all for it. Last game we had Smush, Walton and Odom all come close to Tripple Doubles. Oh, and I've said this before, a player can't make his teamates play better defense, which is just as important as passing and working in the flow of offense.

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    all the hate that players receive just shows how much respect they deserve. I admit, I hate Dirk, because I hate the ball in his hands late in games. Same goes for Kobe, I cheer the guy and am in awe when he goes on scoring sprees like these. But, sorry, Chris Childs, we don't hate you because we respect you, it's because you're a stupid who's only claim to fame is that you punched Kobe in his adams apple.
    yup, i feel the same way about manu and barbosa, but it's only because they're very good ballers

    at that last part

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    Yeah, my sentiments exactly. I mean, it's like when you want to see your player get the 10th rebound, 10th block to get the double, double, or triple double. Some situation's it's NOT SO bad, but ultimately, it's telling if the player cares about it or not, if it's NECESSARY. Records. Stats. Etc.

    Like there had been games where Wade would have a potential triple double, but he wouldn't care. In Kobe's and Arenas case, and even Lebron (and I like Lebron, so I'm being unbiased in this comment right now) they try to go for it.

    In Manu's case, most of his big games with big numbers, he's a REAL freak, because he's so SELFless all his crazy games are just incidental, because he's mainly trying to win for the team. Kobe's definitely playing for himself AND the team's along for the ride.

    But in that case, meh. Homegame. It took Kobe like 5 shots in the final minute to try to get to 50. So yeah, it was pretty self-serving of him. But it's not *that* offensive if you think about it. Just kind of crude, or crass way of playing the game.
    Kobe has been in the NBA for like 10 seasons, right? Kobe has 3 Shaq Rings, Right? Kobe already scored 81 points, right? Shouldn't he have his focus on making his teammates more better instead of himself?

    Kobe has lied to himself and the media on numerous occasions. When Gilbert lit him up for I don't know how many points it was but it was alot, he said that he doesn't care about stats all he cares about is winning.

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    Kobe's a ing scorer...that's his role....he feeds off the other players. A guy like Nash making other's better, IE scoring off an assist is just the same as Walton feeding Kobe and Kobe scoring...what's the difference...oh nothing, it's still 2 points. Walton and Odom are having career years prior to injuries in all relevant stats. Also, ass clown, Kobe's shot's per game are reduced this year from last.

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    Kobe has been in the NBA for like 10 seasons, right? Kobe has 3 Shaq Rings, Right? Kobe already scored 81 points, right? Shouldn't he have his focus on making his teammates more better instead of himself?

    Kobe has lied to himself and the media on numerous occasions. When Gilbert lit him up for I don't know how many points it was but it was alot, he said that he doesn't care about stats all he cares about is winning.
    Jealous?

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    I agree that Kobe has to score in order for his team to win but someone else has to step up on that team besides Kobe. I mean why can't Lamar put up 45 or 50 or why can't smush put up like 30? Why does Kobe have to do it all by himself. I know he's the superstar on the team but Kobe needs to talk to these guys and tell them you can't just be standing around watching me play. Kobe has to be the leader and I don't think he has inserted himself in that position yet.

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    I would love to see Kobe have 30 points, 15 assists, 8 rebounds per game. Scoring is what he does but if he's passing the ball to someone and they shoot and miss, he has to tell that person to work on their jumpshot so his assist can make him not look like a ballhog. I just don't think he can do it all by himself. Odom, Parker, Walton, Evans and everyone else needs to improve their game so Kobe doesn't have to do all the work.

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    I agree that Kobe has to score in order for his team to win but someone else has to step up on that team besides Kobe. I mean why can't Lamar put up 45 or 50 or why can't smush put up like 30? Why does Kobe have to do it all by himself. I know he's the superstar on the team but Kobe needs to talk to these guys and tell them you can't just be standing around watching me play. Kobe has to be the leader and I don't think he has inserted himself in that position yet.
    Quote from Phil Jackson:

    "We talked about going to Kobe early in games and not waiting," coach Phil Jackson said. "He had been playing the team role, feeling the game out and waiting 'til the second half to get going. But there's just not enough time right now in the season to develop that."
    http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/recap?gameId=270318013

    It looks like Kobe is doing what he's being asked to do.

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    I agree that Kobe has to score in order for his team to win but someone else has to step up on that team besides Kobe.
    Yeah, I'm sooooo sure the Knicks would ABSOLUTELY HATE having a player like Kobe on their team. He would just bring the whole team a step down.

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    Quote from Phil Jackson:

    "We talked about going to Kobe early in games and not waiting," coach Phil Jackson said. "He had been playing the team role, feeling the game out and waiting 'til the second half to get going. But there's just not enough time right now in the season to develop that."
    http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/recap?gameId=270318013

    It looks like Kobe is doing what he's being asked to do.
    You're right. I can see what you mean. But come on, it's not like Kobe is playing in his last years in the NBA. He has alot more seasons left in him. His team is not going to make noise in the playoffs this year anyway. I think he just needs to be more of a team player so his teammates can get use to that and maybe in 2-3 years they wil be talking about a championship.

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    You're right. I can see what you mean. But come on, it's not like Kobe is playing in his last years in the NBA. He has alot more seasons left in him. His team is not going to make noise in the playoffs this year anyway. I think he just needs to be more of a team player so his teammates can get use to that and maybe in 2-3 years they wil be talking about a championship.
    Sounds like the annual motto of the New York Knicks - "We're trying to win a le three years from now!"

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    he's passing the ball to someone and they shoot and miss, he has to tell that person to work on their jumpshot so his assist can make him not look like a ballhog.
    He's not their ing personal trainer, he does their job, they try and do theirs. They should see it on their own that if he's not passing, then he doesn't trust them. From that, they should work on their shot on their own, not blame it on the lack of team play.

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    He does trust his team...I've seen it more this year than any other year post Shaq. It's just the last few games that he's notched a high # of shots....by getting Odom and Walton back into the flow, I don't see him scoring and shooting 30 + going forward. Still, if it takes him to win, then he'll score in bunches.

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    He's not their ing personal trainer , he does their job, they try and do theirs. They should see it on their own that if he's not passing, then he doesn't trust them. From that, they should work on their shot on their own, not blame it on the lack of team play.
    But he's their so called ing team leader. He needs to step up and stop shooting the ball alot in order for his team to win. Kobe can't do it all by himself. The lakers aren't going anywhere if that were to continue. That's why he needs a team that can take the pressure off of him instead of him doing almost everything. It's not going to get you anywhere if you don't have good team players around you. That's why I believe you can make bad players turn into good players. All you have to do is speak up and tell them ways of helping you to become a better team. It looks like Kobe only wants them to figure it out on their own. That's not being a team leader.

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    He's got players that when healthy are having career years...still it's nothing to do with Kobe is it....Regardless....having good players will always help, especially when they are other allstars on the team.

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    Who gives a , if a guy wants to score 50 and he is one basket away from getting it with the game secured, who cares? More power to him. And if the rest of his ass team would get their together maybe he wouldnt have to shoot so much

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    It's as if Kobe never has well-rounded games where he does more than just score. That's just not true. And, prior to the last two games, he had been averaging nearly 8 apg and nearly 8 rpg, and his team was still losing. After the 7 game losing streak, he decided he was going to start scoring to help the Lakers win. You can't fault him for that when his team was losing when he tried to make his teammates better by passing them the ball. With Odom and Walton out, his teammates were just not good enough to win. There have been several games where he does more than just score.



    http://www.nba.com/games/20061117/TORLAL/boxscore.html

    Kobe: 31 pts, 11, rbds, 7 asts

    http://www.nba.com/games/20061215/HOULAL/boxscore.html

    Kobe: 53 pts, 10 rbds, 8 asts

    http://www.nba.com/games/20061217/WASLAL/boxscore.html

    Kobe: 45 pts, 8 rbds, 10 asts

    http://www.nba.com/games/20070104/LALSAC/boxscore.html

    Kobe: 42 pts, 10 rbds, 9 asts

    http://www.nba.com/games/20070306/LALMIN/boxscore.html

    Kobe: 40 pts, 13 rbds, 8 asts

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    Remember...people only see what they want to see....

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    When Kobe takes 20 or more field goal attempts, the Lakers are 20-16.

    When Kobe takes less than 20 field goal attempts, the Lakers are 12-14.

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    If they stay healthy going into the playoff stretch we'll be fine. Still, it would be nice to get Radman and Mihm back...but that's probably not going to happen.

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    It's as if Kobe never has well-rounded games where he does more than just score. That's just not true. And, prior to the last two games, he had been averaging nearly 8 apg and nearly 8 rpg, and his team was still losing. After the 7 game losing streak, he decided he was going to start scoring to help the Lakers win. You can't fault him for that when his team was losing when he tried to make his teammates better by passing them the ball. With Odom and Walton out, his teammates were just not good enough to win. There have been several games where he does more than just score.



    http://www.nba.com/games/20061117/TORLAL/boxscore.html

    Kobe: 31 pts, 11, rbds, 7 asts

    http://www.nba.com/games/20061215/HOULAL/boxscore.html

    Kobe: 53 pts, 10 rbds, 8 asts

    http://www.nba.com/games/20061217/WASLAL/boxscore.html

    Kobe: 45 pts, 8 rbds, 10 asts

    http://www.nba.com/games/20070104/LALSAC/boxscore.html

    Kobe: 42 pts, 10 rbds, 9 asts

    http://www.nba.com/games/20070306/LALMIN/boxscore.html

    Kobe: 40 pts, 13 rbds, 8 asts
    Ok, why can't Kobe continue to make his teammates better? Is he tired or something? I don't care if his team is losing, he can't just go into ballhog mode. That means he's giving up on them. See, I always look towards future and the way I see it, The lakers aren't going anywhere with Dallas, San antonio, Phoenix, Houston, Utah, and maybe even Denver (if they make it) in their way. I say he should continue to try and make his teammates better, that way his team can get use to that so it won't be as if he's saying my team isn't doing anything right now I must score in order for my team to win. I think that's spitting in the face of his teammates when he stops trying to make his teammates better and starts throwing up 70, 60, 50 points to win games. During this offseason, he must address every single player on the team and tell them that scoring 50, 60 points just to win isn't going to continue forever so you guys must improve your game.
    I admit, Kobe can put up impressive stats but when kobe's doing that and his team is losing, he must continue to do that so his team can understand what he's trying to do.

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    Ok, why can't Kobe continue to make his teammates better? Is he tired or something? I don't care if his team is losing, he can't just go into ballhog mode. That means he's giving up on them. See, I always look towards future and the way I see it, The lakers aren't going anywhere with Dallas, San antonio, Phoenix, Houston, Utah, and maybe even Denver (if they make it) in their way. I say he should continue to try and make his teammates better, that way his team can get use to that so it won't be as if he's saying my team isn't doing anything right now I must score in order for my team to win. I think that's spitting in the face of his teammates when he stops trying to make his teammates better and starts throwing up 70, 60, 50 points to win games. During this offseason, he must address every single player on the team and tell them that scoring 50, 60 points just to win isn't going to continue forever so you guys must improve your game.
    I admit, Kobe can put up impressive stats but when kobe's doing that and his team is losing, he must continue to do that so his team can understand what he's trying to do.

    How much better can Kobe make Ronny Turiaf, Mo Evans, Smush Parker, Shammond Williams? Those guys were second round draft picks or not drafted at all. The talent isn't there. When three starters (Odom, Walton, and Kwame Brown) are out for significant stretches, any team is going to struggle. Kobe tried to continue to play unselfishly, and two long losing streaks ensued. You simply cannot significantly make players that have limited talent and skill much better than they are. And, first and foremost, Kobe is a scorer. He scores. He's the "shooting" guard. He still gets over 5.5 assists per game. How many NBA shooting guards average more assists than he does? There's ONE NBA shooting guard that averages more assists than Kobe, and that's Dwyane Wade. And, Dwyane Wade is often asked to share time at the point guard. Making teammates better doesn't just mean taking fewer shots. It means teaching them in practice, giving them helpful hints. It means leading by example. It means communicating on the floor. It means encouraging them in many different ways. Just because a player takes a lot of shots, it doesn't mean he doesn't make his teammates better.

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