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  1. #26
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    Ball Don't Lie Rip-Hamilton32's Avatar
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    bruce bowen no longer a candidate?

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    Realistic Spurs Fan Amuseddaysleeper's Avatar
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    bruce bowen no longer a candidate?

    nah, not this season


    I think Duncan is very debatable as well if only because our D feels very suspet this year compared to seasons' past.


    However, it is a down year for DPOY I suppose

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    Hedo Layup Drill ShoogarBear's Avatar
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    Seriously, I'd like to know what's so different between this year and last year for Bowen?

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    Realistic Spurs Fan Amuseddaysleeper's Avatar
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    Seriously, I'd like to know what's so different between this year and last year for Bowen?

    It feels like Kobe and Melo and all these other players go off on him a lot more than normal. I'd be interested to see his head to head matchups with the premeire players of the league compared to this year and last year. I'm sure his stats are close enough, but I think a lot of the Bowen doubters are pretty much basing this one only remembering the bad games which really isn't fair at all

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    Drive for Five! ambchang's Avatar
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    All I know is that Bowen is +6.4, with only Duncan and Ginobili having a higher +- than him (unless you count James White), and he sure isn't scoring that many points.

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    You are probably re ed enough to actually believe he is too.

  8. #33
    Damn You Commies T Park's Avatar
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    Bruce Bowen should, but hes not apreciated enough.

    as evidenced in this thread, hes not even valued by his own damn fans.

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    Spur-taaaa TDMVPDPOY's Avatar
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    marcus camby could win it this year...

    his havin a healthy year...its up to him to hold onto it till end of teh season....


    duncan looms

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    Live by what you Speak. DarkReign's Avatar
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    point differential is not a defensive stat. Phoenix is top 3 in point differential.
    Beat me to it.

    Defensive stats include (as a team), IMO....

    near the top in differential rebounding
    near the top in steals
    near the top in OFG%
    near the top in OPPG
    near the top in blocks

    Im sure I could think of a few more. Like I said, theyre top 5 (no question). But not the best in the league.

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    Dragon style JamStone's Avatar
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    I would look at OPP turnovers and OPP3PT% as well.

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    Elbows of Fury TonyParkerSux's Avatar
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    co-cadidates.... Tony Parker and Manu Ginobili.

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    Still Hates Small Ball Spurminator's Avatar
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    Seriously, I'd like to know what's so different between this year and last year for Bowen?

    He's making fewer shots.

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    Elbows of Fury TonyParkerSux's Avatar
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    Kobe Bryant

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    Clever got me this far... JMarkJohns's Avatar
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    OPPG isn't nearly as telling as all the opponant statistical breakdowns. Tempo, more than defense, tends to factor in here. A couple seasons ago, didn't the Grizzlies have the lowest (or one of the lowest) OPPG? I believe so, and they were promtly swept by the Suns in the playoffs, a Suns team who was probably one of the worst teams for OPPG.

    OFG% is #1, closely followed by rebounding differential, then all the various stats like blocks, steals, forced turnovers, P3FG% and then OPPG. It certainly factors in, but you just can't look at OPPG and say a team is a good defensive team. They could just be coached by Mike Fratello or Jeff Van Gundy, coaches who's teams slow things way the down, rebound well, but can't really get stops at all.

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    Believe. Kobulingam's Avatar
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    Granted that defense is the least quantifiable aspect of any game, if you go by the usual stats of rebounds, blocks, and steals (and we know that there's no shortage of lazy voters who will) then Emeka Okafor's name should be in the mix. Averages about 11.5 boards, 1 steal, and 2.75 blocks per game.
    Emeka? no.

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    Goodwill Ambassador spurs_fan_in_exile's Avatar
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    You make such a compelling argument. He probably won't get much attention since he's in a small market and on a team with no real defensive reputation to speak of but that doesn't diminish his individual accomplishments. I just think that he's in the same league as Duncan and Wallace as the kind of guy that you could build a great defensive system around.

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    Hedo Layup Drill ShoogarBear's Avatar
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    Seriously, I'd like to know what's so different between this year and last year for Bowen?
    As I was saying . . .

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