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TWO RINGS NO RINGS. DEFEND THAT.
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TWO RINGS NO RINGS. DEFEND THAT.
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The rings card again???
kobe shot 55% against raja last time they played in LAL and i believe had 34 points
unless you meant raja defended kobe better tonight than bowen did, in which case i agree with you completely
Bowen was literally nowhere to be found on the defensive end when kobe took the floor today
The sad thing is that Raja Bell once used to play for the Spurs
Raja Bell is a poor man's Bowen.
Bell is definitely quicker in my opinion and that means a lot after the defensive rules changes.
Bowen used a lot of holding, bumping and handchecking when more of that stuff was allowed. I don't know if he's lost a little bit of his speed with age--he probably has--but Bell's speed probably helps him with the new rules.
Is Bell a better all around player now? Sure. I'd trade Bowen for him in an instant, but Phoenix wouldn't do the trade. Does anyone think they'd trade Bell for Bowen straight up?
I still think Bowen is the better defender, the smarter one and more composed one too (clotheslining Kobe)
When watching games, I think the Bells, Snows all aspire to get to Bowen level, sure Bell is more spry and athletic, but Bowen still makes Pop's coaching look that much more genius. Switch him on any scoring threat and it's like magic. Bell's defense on Kobe is overrated, especiallly on last night's game. Not taking anything away from Bell, but they doubled Kobe a bunch of times. Bowen is ordered by Coach Pop and the team to stay man to man, so we don't have to throw another guy at the Kobes, Tmacs, etc.
so definitely, Bowen shouldn't be ruled out just because Bell's become a better defender over the years.
Also, Bell's defense on shutting down Manu?? Manu also had traps set for him, just like they did to Kobe last night.
LMAO....
The Suns don't even have a Defensive Philosophy... I know Bowen is not that good, but Raja Bell blows.
anyway.. Camby will get the award... end of the discussion
Even I think Bruce (or at the very least Duncan) deserves the award, with the recent surge of the Nuggets and Camby's "stats" in rebounding and blocked shots, award voters will get impressed with Camby and give the award to him. Which is a joke, because a great defensive player makes the team as a whole a better defensive team...and as Kori's stats show, Bowen clearly does that.
Tim Duncan should get the DPOY for Bowen's sake.
Wow. Camby is actually going to play 70+ games this year. They should give him a certificate or something just for doing that. It'll be only the second time in his 11 year career he's done it.
Getting a ton of blocks on a team that doesn't play any defense to me isn't DPOY quality. He's still a great shot blocker though.
Didn't Camby miss like 20+ games????
It worked for Mutombo when he played
I just can't envision someone on a team that plays no defense winning the DPOY award....
You are a freaking idiot.
Kori just provided a stat which completely derails your thread and you act like you don't understand. Beautiful.
I'd like someone to do their homework and check to see what the players Bowen defends avgs. in FG% for a season. THAT would be a great defensive stat.
I wish they had it but it's too hard to come up with that stat. Because a player could go 0-8 with Bowen on him and in the same game go 8-8 with Bowen off the floor (or when Bowen switches off, etc). But in the box score, it would be 8-16 and look like he shot 50% against Bowen.
So the only way to know for sure is to sit and watch all the game tapes and count the makes and misses when Bowen is actually guarding the player.
Rick Carlisle had his staff do this a few years ago for Ron Artest when they were campaigning for Artest to win DPOY. Around the league, they made fun of Indy to sit around and go to all the trouble of all that and then campaign with flyers and such to the media people (voters) around the league.
Anyway, the only way to really know what Bowen brings is to watch Spurs games. Many nights this year, Bowen has owned his opponent and then the guy has gone off for 10+ when Bowen is resting. And then the forum fills up with people saying Bowen didn't do his job
Those people are just box score watchers
Typically, I doubt a player would experience that big of a swing (of course Bowen might not hold him to 0-8 either).
Still, it wouldn't be that hard. If Bowen is on the floor, the stats are kept for him. Otherwise, whoever else is on the floor gets them. I dunno. Maybe we should hire an MLB analyst or two... they're used to tracking weird stats like, "Carlos Zambrano's record and ERA on Tuesdays in May when the weather is cloudy, over 60 degrees and he takes a dump less than 2 hours before the game."
Bowen and Bell are both good defenders. Bowen was a great defender when he was younger, but at this point i'd say they are about even. Neither one deserves DPOY, although Bowen deserved to win one a couple years back.
James White!
Ahh , wrong thread...
Voice of Troll?
I know.
It was an example to explain what I meant.
But there were definitely games this year where a player was shooting sub 30% with Bowen in the game, and didn't miss when Bowen went out.
That's my point, you can't tell unless you have someone sitting logging it. And even then, it's subjective because of switches, double teams, etc. It's not a stat that is going to ever really exist.
Better offensive player yes.
better defender NO.
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