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After watching the Suns-Lakers game I have concluded then Raja Bell is definately a better defender all-around than Bowen (defense and offense).
Bell really frustrates Kobe (and Manu for that matter).
Bowen is overrated and old...and that my friends is the raw truth.
Bell is way better than Bowen.
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Hey at least he can defend Kobe better than Bowen...
Rajo Bell is a better defender on offense you say?
Bell is better on defense and is better on offense than Bowen...
Maybe. Show us some stats.
Camby should win DPOY anyway
Here are Camby's last 7 games.
Apr 3 - 6 blocks
Apr 4 - 4 blocks
Apr 6 - 3 blocks
Apr 7 - 5 blocks
Apr 9 - 7 blocks
Apr 11 - 7 blocks
Tonight - 9 blocks
Damn. Those are some impressive numbers.
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BELL:
Code:Season Team G GS MPG FG% 3p% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG 06-07 PHX 74 74 37.5 .434 .411 .775 0.6 2.6 3.2 2.5 0.6 0.3 1.09 2.90 14.6 Career 452 233 25.7 .438 .411 .770 0.6 2.0 2.6 1.6 0.7 0.1 1.00 2.60 9.8
BOWEN:
Code:Season Team G GS MPG FG% 3p% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG 06-07 SAS 78 78 30.7 .407 .382 .589 0.3 2.5 2.8 1.5 0.8 0.3 0.82 2.20 6.4 Career 708 549 28.3 .408 .388 .570 0.6 2.3 2.9 1.3 0.9 0.4 0.81 2.30 6.5
Raja Bell:
2006-07 Statistics
PPG 14.6
RPG 3.20
APG 2.5
EFF + 12.91
Bruce Bowen:
2006-07 Statistics
PPG 6.4
RPG 2.80
APG 1.5
EFF + 7.08
Why are you showing us offensive statistics to prove Bell is a better defender?
You just saw the game right?Why are you showing us offensive statistics to prove Bell is a better defender?
Do you have those numbers?
No, I didn't see the game. What happened?
So Bell was a better defender than Bowen in that game - is that what you're saying?
How many people agree with him? I'm not sure if I agree.
DEFENSIVE STATS (2005-2006)
Name G Min EFF AV VI PPFGA PPR RbRate
Bruce Bowen 82 2751 9.39 7.0 3.6 1.080 0.59 6.9
Name G Min EFF AV VI PPFGA PPR RbRate
Raja Bell 79 2957 13.86 9.1 5.0 1.169 1.61 4.7
Tonight's game?
Yeah I saw that Kobe sucked.
Bell is a good defender. I'm not denying that. I'm just wondering why you are spouting offensive statistics to try to substantiate your claim.
Show us defensive stats for the season for each of them, like opponents points per 100 possessions when they are on the floor or something else comparable.
This one game, Beno scored 25 points.
I've concluded that Beno > Nash.
When Raja bell's name starts coming up in debates about why the DPOY award needs to be changed, ala Bruce Bowen, then come talk your smack... no one, NO ONE, in the current NBA is a better all-around defender than Bruce Bowen. Stats mean jack when it comes to defense, you CAN NOT measure it with stats. Sure blocks, steals and turnovers are a part of it, but that is no where NEAR the whole thing when it comes to defense, and Bruce has all of that "extra" stuff in spades.
There is a reason why he is always talked about in the DPOY discussion even though his "stats" dont nearly match the opposition.
I dare you to pull up the stats when Bruce is facing the top scorer of one team VS Raja, or anyone else for that matter, as far as "holding" them below their average.... Im willing to bet the stats are staggeringly in Bruce's favor.
Last edited by phyzik; 04-14-2007 at 01:50 AM.
Just look at what the other "star" player averages on Bowen.
Do u mean by slamming him on the floor ? that sequence proved that Kobe's got into Raja's skin, which doesn't happen with Bowen
Nobody guards me better than Bruce Bowen.
- Kobe Bryant
end of thread.
Here's one stat indicator that might be worth looking at. Not a tell all, but an indicator.
Spurs Defense: Opponents Points per 100 Possessions
Bowen on the court - 97.0
Bowen off the court - 107.0
Suns Defense: Opponents Points per 100 Possessions
Bell on the court - 106.4
Bell off the court - 109.4
Hmm.. which player improves their team's D more?
Sure scoring 40+ points on Bowen is guarding him better than anyone else?
Kobe is just tryng to be nice...
Yeah but you are not talking One-on-One defense...
You are talking about team defense...
I'm talking about Bowen's effect on the team defense compared to Raja's effect on the team defense.
Meanwhile, you are spouting some offensive statistics and jacking off to Kobe sucking tonight.
I wish every time you got a new screen name you'd change your M.O. instead of trolling the same way every time.
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