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He didn't stay with it at all times. He only played big for 6 minutes in the 4th quarter and abandoned it the last three minutes of a tie game, just like he did in the third game against these guys last January, with similar results.
Yes I think we all agree EFF smallball!
Let's just hope that CIA POP wasn't in action today and throwing the Dallas coaching staff off was not the only reason he stayed with 2 bigs at all times.
He didn't stay with it at all times. He only played big for 6 minutes in the 4th quarter and abandoned it the last three minutes of a tie game, just like he did in the third game against these guys last January, with similar results.
Not sure what to make of Elson. The spirit was willing but the flesh just had a quintuple espresso shot? Seemed very active, but somewhat, well, nervous.
+/- leaders tonight:
Horry +6
Duncan +5
Parker +4
Manu +1
That's a pretty good sign because that's four of the five players I want on the court at the end of the game versus the Mavs.
I don't mean to be sour grapes, but considering Dampier was out of the game (easily their best rebounder, if not second best I believe) I would be interested to see us outrebounding the Mavs with Damp in the game.
But still, I just hope Pop sees the Rebs stats and decides to stick with playing Big a little bit longer
Some games Horry has it and some games he doesn't. I'm thinking in most cases the 5th would be Bowen. As long as we're playing with two bigs, that's fine. If we're small though, I'd prefer to go with Brent and Fin.
As usual, TIMVP's comments is one of the few other things worth reading in this forum.. I think alike.. I don't think Pop is that hung up over this loss..
I think despite the loss, the game showed that if yo have to put one team slightly ahead of the other, it would be the Spurs. They controlled the game pretty well (on the road) before TD's ejection and Dallas looked hesitant at times.
Elson really challenged Dirk, particulary by choosing to let him some space on his left and blocking his right. Dirk looked uncomfortable 2 or 3 times and missed the lay-up.
Elson is the major difference with last year. It'll be interesting if they face in PO to see if Dirk can adjust.
Spurs didn't executed very well at the end, It was basically one on one. But I think it's partly because Pop didn't want to show the plays he could use in PO.
And also because it was a half-important half not so important game so I think players
really had the appropritate focus and intensity.
Vaughn indeed didn't looked able to defend Harris. Because of the injury ? I hope.
Tony on the contrary, looked very active on defense. He' starting to have some defense at udes that I havent' seenfrom him before, like really sticking to his man while he's following him, like bigger men do.
PS: I'm not the one who usually blame the refs but someone tells them they're not supposed to be star of the show. the less you see them, the less you talk about them the better they did their job. they're supposed to serve the game, not appropriate it.
JC should pay yesterday's attendance back for having stolen them a good ballgame.
NBC musn't be very happy either.
Little correction :
Good Stuff! I certainly felt the Spurs were on their way to winning Sunday until Duncan was tossed. I simply wanted to see if the Spurs had finally matured enough to impose their will on The Mavs. I saw signs of that through 3 quarters Sunday. I believe Pop has the mavs where he wants them.-Props to Pop for staying bigger than normal versus the Mavs. And not surprising, the Spurs outrebounded the Mavs for the first time in 14 games. It's about time that Pop realized you can't beat the Mavs small. Hopefully if the Spurs and Mavs meet again this year, Pop keeps this strategy going.
-While Duncan was in the game, I thought he played rather well. He missed some shots he usually hits, but overall he was good. He even had some possessions on Dirk defensively and he moved his feet well. He was in line for a big fourth quarter.
-Parker and Ginobili have to play smarter for the Spurs to advance far in the playoffs. Parker getting the 8-second violation and a couple other careless turnovers didn't exactly help matters. And Manu forcing it at the end of games has been a problem for a while now. When he gets trapped, he has to pass it. He can't try to be Supermanu and win it himself ... or these Artest-like situations will keep happening. Both Tony and Manu are average at best when it comes to basketball IQ, which is a problem the Spurs will have to overcome in the postseason.
-The Spurs need a little more out of Bowen and Finley. I thought both could have been a little better defensively and offensively they could perhaps be a tad bit more aggressive. However, AJ plays the Spurs in a way that he doesn't let outside shooters beat them. That's why Parker and Manu have to put it on their shoulders to score in isolation scenarios.
-Barry sucked. The Mavs own him.
-Jacque Vaughn turned out not to be the Devin Harris stopper we all hoped. In fact, Harris abused Vaughn. He's just too quick for Vaughn. The Spurs' only chance against Harris is Parker.
-Elson was decent. Not good, not bad but overall decent. He has to stay out of foul trouble and not go for Dirk's fakes. Just keep a hand up and make Dirk beat you with midrange jumpers. He did a better job of that as the game went on.
-Oberto played very well. He had Olympic style energy and was playing unafraid. He might be a surprise X-Factor for the Spurs in the playoffs. He knows how to win big games and has a history of doing so.
-Horry was decent. I liked the fact that Pop put him on Dirk. That's a matchup that the Spurs can survive with. The best news regarding Horry is he looked pretty healthy and athletic out there.
-Pop coached a pretty good game overall. With Duncan out, it put Parker and Manu in situations they aren't accustomed to. Pop might have looked at doing something else other than isolating one of them, but I can understand wanting to win or lose with your all-star backcourt with Tim gone. However, I do think Pop should have stood up for Duncan more. If Duncan is going to get tossed for something that outrageous, Pop should have been on the next whistle out of town. At that point, Pop should have let everyone know he supports Duncan 100% and you can't do such BS actions and think the coach will let it slide.
Bottomline, Spurs played decent until the game was decided in the third quarter. Parker and Manu were pretty poor down the stretch, but put in a situation without Duncan and having no outside shooter with any kind of momentum, it's understandable to happen in a halfway important regular season game.
The key for the Spurs is to forget the score of the game and move on. Let it be some sort of rallying cry and get them ready for the playoffs. The worst thing that could happen is if they let this hurt them mentally.
Forget it, F the NBA and move on.
San Antonio de Bexar versus the World.
You its funny when Duncan did get tossed I turned over to my wife and said POP is next, but it didn’t happen and it should have.-Props to Pop for staying bigger than normal versus the Mavs. And not surprising, the Spurs outrebounded the Mavs for the first time in 14 games. It's about time that Pop realized you can't beat the Mavs small. Hopefully if the Spurs and Mavs meet again this year, Pop keeps this strategy going.
-While Duncan was in the game, I thought he played rather well. He missed some shots he usually hits, but overall he was good. He even had some possessions on Dirk defensively and he moved his feet well. He was in line for a big fourth quarter.
-Parker and Ginobili have to play smarter for the Spurs to advance far in the playoffs. Parker getting the 8-second violation and a couple other careless turnovers didn't exactly help matters. And Manu forcing it at the end of games has been a problem for a while now. When he gets trapped, he has to pass it. He can't try to be Supermanu and win it himself ... or these Artest-like situations will keep happening. Both Tony and Manu are average at best when it comes to basketball IQ, which is a problem the Spurs will have to overcome in the postseason.
-The Spurs need a little more out of Bowen and Finley. I thought both could have been a little better defensively and offensively they could perhaps be a tad bit more aggressive. However, AJ plays the Spurs in a way that he doesn't let outside shooters beat them. That's why Parker and Manu have to put it on their shoulders to score in isolation scenarios.
-Barry sucked. The Mavs own him.
-Jacque Vaughn turned out not to be the Devin Harris stopper we all hoped. In fact, Harris abused Vaughn. He's just too quick for Vaughn. The Spurs' only chance against Harris is Parker.
-Elson was decent. Not good, not bad but overall decent. He has to stay out of foul trouble and not go for Dirk's fakes. Just keep a hand up and make Dirk beat you with midrange jumpers. He did a better job of that as the game went on.
-Oberto played very well. He had Olympic style energy and was playing unafraid. He might be a surprise X-Factor for the Spurs in the playoffs. He knows how to win big games and has a history of doing so.
-Horry was decent. I liked the fact that Pop put him on Dirk. That's a matchup that the Spurs can survive with. The best news regarding Horry is he looked pretty healthy and athletic out there.
-Pop coached a pretty good game overall. With Duncan out, it put Parker and Manu in situations they aren't accustomed to. Pop might have looked at doing something else other than isolating one of them, but I can understand wanting to win or lose with your all-star backcourt with Tim gone. However, I do think Pop should have stood up for Duncan more. If Duncan is going to get tossed for something that outrageous, Pop should have been on the next whistle out of town. At that point, Pop should have let everyone know he supports Duncan 100% and you can't do such BS actions and think the coach will let it slide.
Bottomline, Spurs played decent until the game was decided in the third quarter. Parker and Manu were pretty poor down the stretch, but put in a situation without Duncan and having no outside shooter with any kind of momentum, it's understandable to happen in a halfway important regular season game.
The key for the Spurs is to forget the score of the game and move on. Let it be some sort of rallying cry and get them ready for the playoffs. The worst thing that could happen is if they let this hurt them mentally.
Forget it, F the NBA and move on.
San Antonio de Bexar versus the World.
Could you explain what those pluses and minuses mean.
Further proof that Pop may have come around to sticking with TallBall against Dallas. From the opening tip until the 2:21 mark of the 3rd quarter (the point at which Duncan was subs uted out after his offensive foul), Pop had some combination of 2 of Duncan, Elson, Horry, and Oberto in the game. From the 2:21 mark of the 3rd through the 8:40 mark of the 4th, Pop played small ball. At the 8:40 mark of the 4th, Pop went back to Tall Ball until the 2:52 mark of the 4th.
For what it's worth, from the 2:52 mark to the end of the game, the Spurs were -7.
Overall, here's how the +/- as a unit look for yesterday's game:
Tall Ball for a total of 39:27 -- Spurs +4
Small Ball for a total of 8:33 -- Spurs -7
Does anybody know why Bonner didn't play at all? We needed some energy out there in the 4th.
I was wanting to see Bonner too. The Spurs needed a spark. He may have been able to give it to them
Nice analysis!-Props to Pop for staying bigger than normal versus the Mavs. And not surprising, the Spurs outrebounded the Mavs for the first time in 14 games. It's about time that Pop realized you can't beat the Mavs small. Hopefully if the Spurs and Mavs meet again this year, Pop keeps this strategy going.
-While Duncan was in the game, I thought he played rather well. He missed some shots he usually hits, but overall he was good. He even had some possessions on Dirk defensively and he moved his feet well. He was in line for a big fourth quarter.
-Parker and Ginobili have to play smarter for the Spurs to advance far in the playoffs. Parker getting the 8-second violation and a couple other careless turnovers didn't exactly help matters. And Manu forcing it at the end of games has been a problem for a while now. When he gets trapped, he has to pass it. He can't try to be Supermanu and win it himself ... or these Artest-like situations will keep happening. Both Tony and Manu are average at best when it comes to basketball IQ, which is a problem the Spurs will have to overcome in the postseason.
-The Spurs need a little more out of Bowen and Finley. I thought both could have been a little better defensively and offensively they could perhaps be a tad bit more aggressive. However, AJ plays the Spurs in a way that he doesn't let outside shooters beat them. That's why Parker and Manu have to put it on their shoulders to score in isolation scenarios.
-Barry sucked. The Mavs own him.
-Jacque Vaughn turned out not to be the Devin Harris stopper we all hoped. In fact, Harris abused Vaughn. He's just too quick for Vaughn. The Spurs' only chance against Harris is Parker.
-Elson was decent. Not good, not bad but overall decent. He has to stay out of foul trouble and not go for Dirk's fakes. Just keep a hand up and make Dirk beat you with midrange jumpers. He did a better job of that as the game went on.
-Oberto played very well. He had Olympic style energy and was playing unafraid. He might be a surprise X-Factor for the Spurs in the playoffs. He knows how to win big games and has a history of doing so.
-Horry was decent. I liked the fact that Pop put him on Dirk. That's a matchup that the Spurs can survive with. The best news regarding Horry is he looked pretty healthy and athletic out there.
-Pop coached a pretty good game overall. With Duncan out, it put Parker and Manu in situations they aren't accustomed to. Pop might have looked at doing something else other than isolating one of them, but I can understand wanting to win or lose with your all-star backcourt with Tim gone. However, I do think Pop should have stood up for Duncan more. If Duncan is going to get tossed for something that outrageous, Pop should have been on the next whistle out of town. At that point, Pop should have let everyone know he supports Duncan 100% and you can't do such BS actions and think the coach will let it slide.
Bottomline, Spurs played decent until the game was decided in the third quarter. Parker and Manu were pretty poor down the stretch, but put in a situation without Duncan and having no outside shooter with any kind of momentum, it's understandable to happen in a halfway important regular season game.
The key for the Spurs is to forget the score of the game and move on. Let it be some sort of rallying cry and get them ready for the playoffs. The worst thing that could happen is if they let this hurt them mentally.
Forget it, F the NBA and move on.
San Antonio de Bexar versus the World.
Two notes...
(1) Oberto seems to play well vs. the Mavs.
(2) Not much should be read into the Spurs rebounding advantage since Damp was out.
I also think that we need to stop relying so much on Manu in the 4th quarter to be the game saver. I noticed lately teams are starting to do a really good job of shutting him down and making him turn the ball over in the last few seconds or minutes. That turnover last night reminded me of the playoffs last year
Yeah, that's why I don't understand the cries that Pop went to small ball too much. He was playing the Mavs how we all hoped he would until Crawford got his feelings hurt.
After that happened and Parker and Manu could score because the lane was too clogged up, small ball actually made sense. With Elson throwing up air balls and Oberto not even looking to shoot his jumper, the Mavs had no reason not to send double and triple teams at the Spurs' guards.
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