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well said man...nice stats work
-Props to Pop for staying bigger than normal versus the Mavs. And not surprising, the Spurs outrebounded the Mavs for the first time in 14 games. It's about time that Pop realized you can't beat the Mavs small. Hopefully if the Spurs and Mavs meet again this year, Pop keeps this strategy going.
-While Duncan was in the game, I thought he played rather well. He missed some shots he usually hits, but overall he was good. He even had some possessions on Dirk defensively and he moved his feet well. He was in line for a big fourth quarter.
-Parker and Ginobili have to play smarter for the Spurs to advance far in the playoffs. Parker getting the 8-second violation and a couple other careless turnovers didn't exactly help matters. And Manu forcing it at the end of games has been a problem for a while now. When he gets trapped, he has to pass it. He can't try to be Supermanu and win it himself ... or these Artest-like situations will keep happening. Both Tony and Manu are average at best when it comes to basketball IQ, which is a problem the Spurs will have to overcome in the postseason.
-The Spurs need a little more out of Bowen and Finley. I thought both could have been a little better defensively and offensively they could perhaps be a tad bit more aggressive. However, AJ plays the Spurs in a way that he doesn't let outside shooters beat them. That's why Parker and Manu have to put it on their shoulders to score in isolation scenarios.
-Barry sucked. The Mavs own him.
-Jacque Vaughn turned out not to be the Devin Harris stopper we all hoped. In fact, Harris abused Vaughn. He's just too quick for Vaughn. The Spurs' only chance against Harris is Parker.
-Elson was decent. Not good, not bad but overall decent. He has to stay out of foul trouble and not go for Dirk's fakes. Just keep a hand up and make Dirk beat you with midrange jumpers. He did a better job of that as the game went on.
-Oberto played very well. He had Olympic style energy and was playing unafraid. He might be a surprise X-Factor for the Spurs in the playoffs. He knows how to win big games and has a history of doing so.
-Horry was decent. I liked the fact that Pop put him on Dirk. That's a matchup that the Spurs can survive with. The best news regarding Horry is he looked pretty healthy and athletic out there.
-Pop coached a pretty good game overall. With Duncan out, it put Parker and Manu in situations they aren't accustomed to. Pop might have looked at doing something else other than isolating one of them, but I can understand wanting to win or lose with your all-star backcourt with Tim gone. However, I do think Pop should have stood up for Duncan more. If Duncan is going to get tossed for something that outrageous, Pop should have been on the next whistle out of town. At that point, Pop should have let everyone know he supports Duncan 100% and you can't do such BS actions and think the coach will let it slide.
Bottomline, Spurs played decent until the game was decided in the third quarter. Parker and Manu were pretty poor down the stretch, but put in a situation without Duncan and having no outside shooter with any kind of momentum, it's understandable to happen in a halfway important regular season game.
The key for the Spurs is to forget the score of the game and move on. Let it be some sort of rallying cry and get them ready for the playoffs. The worst thing that could happen is if they let this hurt them mentally.
Forget it, F the NBA and move on.
San Antonio de Bexar versus the World.
well said man...nice stats work
your insight about pop backing duncan is spot on. pop should have stood firmly behind duncan to say to the league that the questionable referreing has to stop.
Superb analysis.
Excellent post, I agree with every bit of it. There were a lot of positives from this game. I really hope the Spurs meet the Mavs in the playoffs again this year.
Yeah, buddy! GO SPURS GO! BELIEVE! LET'S GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Both teams played hard.
Vaughn twisted his ankle last game, maybe it was hurting his mobility. I will wait to see Vaughn at 100% against Harris before saying that he can't defend him.
Eh one game doesn't mean He can't do it.
Besides, I always though Vaughn would've guarded Terry anyways.
Both Tony and Manu are average at best when it comes to basketball IQ, which is a problem the Spurs will have to overcome in the postseason<<
The rest of your analysis was good, but I disagree with this statement tremendously. I think basketball IQ is among Manu and Tony's biggest strengths on the court.
Tony knows how to get to his spots on the floor to maximize his jump shot, he knows how to work the pick and roll with Tim, he rotates well on defense and he has an innate sense of getting his lay-ups off in traffic and releasing it at the right angle and with perfect spin. He doesn't have the most talent or explosiveness of any small in the league, but he's the best at scoring inside because he knows how to set up defenders and how to maximize his strengths.
Manu has excellent court sense I think and is usually quite good at finding the open man and getting guys great looks, especially big men rolling to the basket. On defense he hides his physical limitations as best as he can, plays the percentages well and generally (except for one notable exception) takes smart gambles. He knows how to draw fouls on both ends of the floor and is good at figuring out the weaknesses in other people's games.
Neither one is hardly the best athlete at their positions, but they get the maximum they can out of their skill because they understand the game very well (I think Manu's experience in Italy and with the Argentine national team and Parker's schooling in France's basketball academy has a lot to do with it) and both are getting smarter every year.
We coulda had this game but the last 30 seconds we executed like a HS club
Bad foul by Ginobilli when they had one to give
Bad foul by Elson? with 10.6 left
Terrible forced shot by Barry with 4 seconds left
TPark care to elaborate?
on what?
Timvp pretty much had it covered.
Although Elson's foul was intentional, don't know why you have that as stupid.
There is a difference between basketball smarts and basketball instincts. Parker has great instincts, is amazingly fast, learns quickly and follows directions well. Those are his strengths.
He's not a guy who beats you with like Magic Johnson or even Robert Horry level basketball smarts.
Again, you are talking mostly about instincts. Manu has stellar instincts, he's tough as nails, is unafraid of everything and has an amazing will to win. His pure basketball IQ, though, is average at best.
For example not passing out of a trap when it's obvious what the Mavs would do, or fouling Dirk at the basket when you are up three or fouling the Mavs today when the Spurs had a 5 second differential and should have just played for the stop. Those are mental mistakes that a Magic, Bird or Horry would never make.
Again, both are great players and I'm glad they are on the team. But neither one will win a playoff series with basketball IQ.
I don't know. There are plenty of guys who are in this league strictly because of their bodies and athletiicism who have no idea how to play team basketball. Nazr, Kwame Brown, and to a lesser extent Francisco are all examples of this.
Neither Tony or Manu could be the players they are just on their athleticism. They both understand how to play. Maybe not at a genius level like Duncan or Bird, but far above the average player.
I thought timvp was a proponent of "smallball" for the Spurs? Hasn't he defended Pop's strategy against the Mavs in the past? I don't get it...
Aside from the fact that I dont agree with their strategy especially for a team that prides themselves on defense... I dont think they were consistent with the strategy they choose to end the game with. If you decide to take the foul to give right away it should be because you want to send them to the line a.s.a.p.
Instead they take the foul, stop the clock, let Dallas set up their offense than Elson fouls on the baseline after Dallas burns 12+ seconds of the clock. Either you foul right away and send them to the line with as much time left as possible, or you put some faith in your defense from the start, get a stop and have a chance to win the game. Instead the Spurs choose to sit on the fence
And common Barry's running away from the baset, hail marry with 4 seconds left was the best shot they could get???
timvp has been ing about small ball since last playoffs
Really? I have only read posts of him extolling the virtues of The Great Popovich.timvp has been ing about small ball since last playoffs
are there any proponents of small ball???
I don't think any Spurs fan on this forum likes small ball....
Nah, he thinks like any rational baketball observer that we don't have the right players for extensive small ball.
We looked drastically different having Elson in there for 33 minutes tonight than we did when we only ran him six minutes in the loss at the SBC Center earlier this year.
Glad Pop seems to have possibly gotten a clue on the suckage that is small ball. It's refreshing to look at a box score and see us with more boards than the Mavs for once.
Also, Pop, never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever trot out a line up of Parker, Manu, Bowen, Elson, and Oberto again.
Because teams will do what the Mavs did tonight - pack all five guys into the lane and dare us to beat them from outside. It's subs utional suicide.
timvp has been against small ball since Pop started tinkering with it in 2004. In fact, you can go back to 2000 when I was against Pop pulling David because of "mismatches".
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