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How many years did Elson play overseas?
The only foreign player that has really "learnt" to play in the US is Beno Udrih.
How many years did Elson play overseas?
Great idea.
Send us back the Ginobilis, Parkers, Stojakovics, Nowitskis, Kirilenkos and we promise to send you home the Joneses, Johnsons, Whites and others chaps running up and down the floor back here.
ohh,I get it now,so the Nashes Nowiskys and all the Non Americans learned the game in the US?
So,who can explain me why the spurs draft only non Americans.
I dont think its a conicidence that Theyīre always on the playoffs and won 3 of the last 8 NBA championships.
because agrentines players are so much better
Because nobody in their target market cares when Holt's minions don't sign them to contracts.
I'm certain it's Bruce Bowen's fault.
yeah,he sure learned the game overseas.cause cameback to the NBA and made a huge impact.
Now they do...but last time they didn't. Manu had just broken into the NBA in 04.
Argentina still is kind of lucky because two of their starters play together in Manu and Oberto...
but the NBA MVPs keep on been the NON Americans though.why is the reason for that?
Dirk is a freak no matter where he is from...
Stick Jason Kidd on the Suns(with Amare and D'Antoni) and his numbers will look a lot better...Nash isn't that much better than a guy like Jason Kidd.
Right situation, right coach, right team.
Dirk is a 7 foot two guard and there aren't many of those, but since he just got humiliated in the first round, I'm not sure I understand why you want to claim him....
Plus...if you are going to make it a USA VS the rest of the World thing...the Rest of the World should be winning the MVP, 250 Million Americans VS 6.4 Billion other people.
And saying Duncan is a foreign player is a huge load of crap...US Citizen, child of US Citizens, Husband of US Citizen, Father of US Citizen, Went to School in the USA, plays for Team USA in the Olympics...Duncan is a of a lot closer to being an American than he is an International Player...get serious.
You hear Duncan talking about ing Soccer? No, he talks about the Chicago Bears.
Not really.but there must be a reason why the USA team dont make an inpact in international competiotions no more,while the rest of the top countries have all their players in the NBA or in Europe playing 2 championships at the same time(euroleague +domestics leagues)and are in the same position to put a team together tham the USA,and If you add that to the fact that the last 3 MVPs were not Americans,there must be something going on,with the Americans players formation or something.
is that an argument?
I bet David Stern could not be more pleased that the past three (3) MVPs went to a couple white boys with all the bad press the NBA ballas have been bringing to the game both on and off the court.
Yeah, I said it.
How'd Argentina do in the last international compe ion?
NBA success kicks the crap out of National Teams.
You aren't seriously comparing the EuroSchedule to the NBA schedule are you? you ever listen to interviews of your own players? The NBA schedule is much more brutal.while the rest of the top countries have all their players in the NBA or in Europe playing 2 championships at the same time(euroleague +domestics leagues)and are in the same position to put a team together tham the
Mainly because clearly the best players on the best teams the last few years have been international players, that doesn't mean they are the best player in the league...USA,and If you add that to the fact that the last 3 MVPs were not Americans,there must be something going on,with the Americans players formation or something.
Most GM's would have taken Shaq over any other player in the NBA just about every year of his career...he won, 1 , MVP in his career.
Right now if you offer a GM any player in the World, about 90% of them will take LeBron James even though he hasn't won anything...
I mean the international style of play has improved and there are a lot of great players coming internationally now, and they are usually fundamentally strong offensively, and good team players, but they aren't particularly great defensively with the exception of AK47....
I see the point you are making, but I don't really believe the rest of the World has surpassed the USA as the King of Basketball...
And the thing is...the rest of the World combined, should be better than the US at basketball...it should be.
But claiming we are done or surpassed because of 1 Olympics and a couple of MVP's...that'd be like America claiming it is the King of Soccer after winning 1 World Cup or the best player being an American...would you buy it? Or would you need more convincing?
It'd mean something, but it wouldn't exactly mean we lead the World in Soccer and are the greatest Soccer country in the World...
I see your point wott,and respect it,but you have to agree with me that,right now its not enough for the african american players to just be athletics in order to win a championship or the MVP,like it was in the past.
would you agree with me,if I say that the USA should at least think about making KIDS learn the game a diferent way tham right now?with this street ball kind of thing going on in the US right now,Kids only think on how to Dunk the ball or make a fansy pass,reather tham learning the game true basics and fundamentals.
I donīt know if Iīm wrong or not,but street ball aint forming real BB players,only fansy/physical players.
Sure, but that's what happens when these kids start bypassing college for NBA Millions, they are bypassing the phase of their careers that was typically devoted to polishing and refining their game, whereas a lot of the International players are coming after polishing. There aren't any 20 year old Euros dominating the NBA, and it's taken Dirk and Nash years to reach the level they play at now.
Plus.. I think International Ball is already influencing the NBA and American players...so is Duncan. I mean there is a desire to see our players improve their fundamentals, including by the players themselves...but the obstacle is teams wanting to lock them up when they can, based on talent before the development of fudamentals at the pro level.
Long term I think what will happen is the NBA teams will start snagging International players before they learn fundamentals more than likely...
There are a lot socio politico economic factors involved in sports excellence as well...
The American players weren't great merely because they were African American...if that were true, Africa would kick the out of everyone in basketball. And last I checked, they haven't...in Soccer either. In America, they had something to prove here, and as opressed segments of socities have done since time began...ahtletics was a great way to make that point...that point has been made and I think you are seeing a decline in African American dominance in American athletics as a result of that...the hunger just isn't there like it used to be.
And now it just so happens that a lot of these International players, are coming from social, political, and economic backgrounds similar to those that were producing so many African American Basketball players...I mean it's not like Germany is flooding the NBA with players....or Canada, the bulk of these International players are coming from former Eastern Bloc Countries and South America...
Anyway...in this area I see that the Internationals will probably become less and less sound as NBA teams attempt to be the ones to get to them first...that'll really happen if the NBA expands again.
BUt keep in mind...requiring 1 year out of highschool is an attempt by the NBA to improve the fundamentals of the American players coming into the NBA.
Last edited by whottt; 05-14-2007 at 08:24 PM.
You are really cementing your reputation.
I'm sorry!
uhhh......NO. Duncan was born in America. Does it shock you to know that The United States Virgin Islands is part of the United States?
and by the way ArgSpursFan, the whole premise of your question and your subsequent comments make you come across as one arrogant, y, conceited foreign jackass.
And to think I just posted in another thread how nice it was to have an international fan base. Fortunately, most of them are nice enough.
Itīs deferent the socio/ economic situation in Africa tham In America,thatīs why they havenīt won anything in the international level in Africa,remember that while in America any kid can buy a BB or soccer Ball,in Africa they need to walk probably 10/15 miles to get to a place where thereīs a court and hopefully somebody will have a ball to play with.
thatīs why Africans are so good at long distance athletism races like marathons.
[/QUOTE] In America, they had something to prove here, and as opressed segments of socities have done since time began...ahtletics was a great way to make that point...that point has been made and I think you are seeing a decline in African American dominance in American athletics as a result of that...the hunger just isn't there like it used to be..[/QUOTE]
I agree on that.People is way too confortable right now in the US.No need to sacrifice themself no more.
[/QUOTE]And now it just so happens that a lot of these International players, are coming from social, political, and economic backgrounds similar to those that were producing so many African American Basketball players...I mean it's not like Germany is flooding the NBA with players....or Canada, the bulk of these International players are coming from former Eastern Bloc Countries and South America....[/QUOTE]
True.It might be a socio/economic thing behind the performance or desire on International players,they seem to be hungry for success.
But at the same time the best international players are not from South America or eastern Europe,they are from Germany and Canada,so It have to have something to do with the formation of players(when kids or teenagers)in the US tham in the rest of the world I belive.It could be too much Play Station 2,It could also be Kids joinin gangs instead of go play with other kids,or It could be that kids arenīt learning BB fundamentals no more.Just street ball..
.[/QUOTE]BUt keep in mind...requiring 1 year out of highschool is an attempt by the NBA to improve the fundamentals of the American players coming into the NBA.[/QUOTE]
Disagree on that.I think thatīs killing the US guyīs fundamentals too.They get rich before they learned the gameīs fundamentals.
Last edited by ArgSpursFan; 05-15-2007 at 09:11 AM.
I am nice,I just happen to think diferent tham you jelly.
BTW,nice to meet you.
Well, then I'll humour you with this little factoid I just heard on ESPN, since you are so obsessed with the "huge" number of non-American MVPs.
According to ESPN: Among international MVPs, Dirk Nowitzki is THE ONLY who did not play high school and/or College Basketball in the United States.
Yeah, but FIBA taught Steve Nash how to play. He's white so he doesn't have any athletic ability so FIBA's grooming is the only logical explanation. I think FIBA taught John Stockton, too.
Nash and Nowitzki are who they are now because of their work ethic ; Dirk dominated american players in a youngsters tournament held in San Antonio, before Don Nelson drafted him.
Therefore, your argument is stupid
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