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    1) Duncan's health - the guy looks like a beast
    2) Dallas' early elimination - the choke fest came early this year
    3) Role Players stepping up - Oberto, Finley, nuff said

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    Spurs beat Warriors, Jazz beat Warriors. Mavs non-factor.

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    horry winning you guys a series from sitting at home
    We love that guy!

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    I vote for Jordin's win on American Idol.

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    10) Manu's resurrection since game 5 of the Phoenix series?

    They don't get past the Suns if he kept playing like he did prior to the fourth quarter of game 5.

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    1. Dallas knocked out in round 1

    2. Best offense in 4-5 years

    3. Horry's foul on Nash and its aftermath

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    Undoubtedly Horry's foul on Nash. The Suns were the favorites to win the series at full strength after Game 4 no matter what any Spurs fan says.

    They didn't release the updated series price (odds of who would win the series when they were tied 2-2) until after the NBA announced the suspensions. That number would have without question favored the Suns without the suspensions meaning the oddsmakers would have predicted the Suns winning the series, which isn't the same thing as the news media or Suns fan predicting a win. Oddsmakers don't give a if you are boring or exciting or whatnot; they are all about money, and the money was on the Suns to win had the suspensions never occured as it was on them to win the series before it even started.

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    Coming back from game 5 versus the Suns w/o Amare and Diaw. Huge wake-up call and I've seen inspired play from them since (minus a few fourth quarters)

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    Undoubtedly Horry's foul on Nash. The Suns were the favorites to win the series at full strength after Game 4 no matter what any Spurs fan says.

    They didn't release the updated series price (odds of who would win the series when they were tied 2-2) until after the NBA announced the suspensions. That number would have without question favored the Suns without the suspensions meaning the oddsmakers would have predicted the Suns winning the series, which isn't the same thing as the news media or Suns fan predicting a win. Oddsmakers don't give a if you are boring or exciting or whatnot; they are all about money, and the money was on the Suns to win had the suspensions never occured as it was on them to win the series before it even started.
    You have to understand the oddsmakers job is to set the points to get money split on both sides. They simply make theirs off the vig. So just because one team is "favored" by the oddsmakers, doesn't necessarily mean they think they will win. They are just trying to split the money out.

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    You have to understand the oddsmakers job is to set the points to get money split on both sides. They simply make theirs off the vig. So just because one team is "favored" by the oddsmakers, doesn't necessarily mean they think they will win. They are just trying to split the money out.
    that and i'm betting the oddsmakers had mavs as a shoo-in against the heat.

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    Undoubtedly Horry's foul on Nash. The Suns were the favorites to win the series at full strength after Game 4 no matter what any Spurs fan says.
    They were at full strength in game 6 (with Amare & Diaw having extra rest).
    AND, the Spurs were still without Horry. If Suns were vastly superior, they didn't show it.

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    They were at full strength in game 6 (with Amare & Diaw having extra rest).
    AND, the Spurs were still without Horry. If Suns were vastly superior, they didn't show it.
    amen. far too few analysts ever bring that up. the series was not over in game seven with those two players out. that was just game 5, they still had 2 more chances and one of those chances in phoenix.

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    You have to understand the oddsmakers job is to set the points to get money split on both sides. They simply make theirs off the vig. So just because one team is "favored" by the oddsmakers, doesn't necessarily mean they think they will win. They are just trying to split the money out.
    That is the theoretical ideal yet rarely achieved result of bookmaking. What you said also assumes the book isn't taking a position on an event itself, which happens all of the time as reflected by their odds. The frequency of the betting line movement determines who fans think will win whereas the initial number put out by the bookies is who they think will win.

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    They were at full strength in game 6 (with Amare & Diaw having extra rest).
    AND, the Spurs were still without Horry. If Suns were vastly superior, they didn't show it.
    You could look at it that way but you could also say they lost a game of momentum by sitting out which hurt their play. The Suns weren't/aren't vastly superior to the Spurs, but I think they had a very good chance of beating the Spurs in 7 had the series had no suspensions.

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    oh yeah!

    I forgot about that guy. That was a bad move getting him. We already had Horry and Finley. His "mentoring" of Beno really panned out, didn't it?

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    Los Mavs choking.

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    horry winning you guys a series from sitting at home
    sounds like a disgruntled kings fan who is still reeling from the shot that finished the queens.

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    You could look at it that way but you could also say they lost a game of momentum by sitting out which hurt their play. The Suns weren't/aren't vastly superior to the Spurs, but I think they had a very good chance of beating the Spurs in 7 had the series had no suspensions.
    baloney. you could say the spurs lost the game of momentum after that 20 point debacle or after phoenix finally broke through and won in san antonio. momentum is as fluid as the ocean and twice as precarious. it changes 10 or 12 times during the actual game. exhibit 1 was last year's mavs toughening things out once terry got back and eventually beating the spurs.

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