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    e^(i*pi) + 1 = 0 MannyIsGod's Avatar
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    fair enough.

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    There are also tons of private organizations that offer scholarships & grants, people serious about completing their education don't have to rely on the government exclusively for educational assistance.
    I'll be laughing my in ass off when you have a bunch of kids and have to pay for all their college tuition.

    Yes, there are a bunch of scholarships out there, but shouldn't education be also part of the governments responsibility? I'm serious about my education and my grades show it, but over half of my tuition is covered by grants. I have no time to write papers and go do interviews for a scholarship while I could use that time to study.

    MannyIsGod is right, we could be saving money in so many ways. What has the world come to that we could afford to put education in the backseat. And they wonder why our struggling education system is what it is compared to other countries.

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    why should i pay so you can get rich. take some responsibility

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    I'll be laughing my in ass off when you have a bunch of kids and have to pay for all their college tuition.


    It's called birth control. Don't have more kids than you can afford.

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    A while back I also enrolled "all my ing kids" in this program.

    It's also called financial planning and utilizing programs and resources available to their fullest. My children will have every opportunity to lead a successful, happy life.....that's my job as their parent, not anyone else's...I'm not relying on anyone else but me. If they do happen to get grants or earn scholarships, I get to do some serious shopping.

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    I'll be laughing my in ass off when you have a bunch of kids and have to pay for all their college tuition.

    Yes, there are a bunch of scholarships out there, but shouldn't education be also part of the governments responsibility? I'm serious about my education and my grades show it, but over half of my tuition is covered by grants. I have no time to write papers and go do interviews for a scholarship while I could use that time to study.

    MannyIsGod is right, we could be saving money in so many ways. What has the world come to that we could afford to put education in the backseat. And they wonder why our struggling education system is what it is compared to other countries.
    Nice to see you expect the government and my tax dollars to support your family. Someone failed to educate you long before you got into school. Good luck on your vision as to how the world should be. It's all about me isn't it?

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    If we can spend billions to rebuild Iraq's schools we sure as should be able to find the billions needed to fix the schools here in the US.

    I remember hearing about something called "No Child Left Behind".

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    We all benefit from tax dollars.

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    We all benefit from tax dollars.
    Good liberal view Joe.

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    Well don't we? Do you not benefit from our tax dollars that pay for our military, police, fire fighters, roads, disaster relief, etc...not only liberals my friend.

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    e^(i*pi) + 1 = 0 MannyIsGod's Avatar
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    How the is that statement a liberal view???

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    There comes a time when benefits lead to handouts.

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    How the is that statement a liberal view???
    Manny! Do I need to draw you a picture?

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    I pay into the damn system, how is anything a handout?

    I'll tell you what handouts are. Those big ass contracts that huge corporations get because of personal influence and their lobbys.

    HALIBURTON anyone???

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    I pay into the damn system, how is anything a handout?

    I'll tell you what handouts are. Those big ass contracts that huge corporations get because of personal influence and their lobbys.

    HALIBURTON anyone???
    Broken Record

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    A benefit isn't always a handout but I agree that some may become accustomed to "handouts".

    I know some say that the military has too many "handouts" for housing, food allowance, and medical care.
    I hate it when our senior citizens and those in need get a "handout" for a flu shot or a "handout" at the Jiminez Thanksgiving feast.

    I hate it when big corporations get a huge "handout", err..tax break.

    I hate it that our ex-presidents continue to receive "handouts" after their term in office is over.

    Why is paying taxes a "liberal" view?

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    "Why is paying taxes a "liberal" view?" ............Didn't say that Joe!

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    well , i get pissed when I hear grants refered to as "handouts". That's bull plain and simple. Those fat government contracts are a far bigger waste than anything that goes to students, yet people see this as an appropriate place to start cutting back?

    As far as the comments about not having more kids than you can afford, I think that's great advice for parents and potential parents to follow.

    However, if they don't, do you then just turn a blind eye to the kid that is trying to better themselves? Do you let he or she become a far bigger tax burden on the society in the future and perpetuate the cycle?

    What a lot of people in here don't realize because they only read about it in the paper or see it on the news is the reality of these situations and how they are perpetuated by a lack of education.

    If you want to fight the war on poverty and unequality in this country, you do so by educating as many people as possible. You put as many of your citizens through college as possible.

    You guys said above that student loans should be viewed upon as an investment by the students,and I argue that Pell Grants and the like shoudl be viewed upon as an investment by society as a whole.

    As a whole, our society is being surpased at every education level by countries around the world. This means a decline in wages overtime, and general lower standards of living in the United States because of a lack of higher paying jobs.

    I'm telling you right now, your government is fighting the wrong battle inthe wrong place. If you want to secure America's future, you better start right here with our youth, not overseas.

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    BTW, this is not the only way it's getting harder for students. Public Universitys keep raising tution and fee's for services like the library and parking because they are desperate for money to run their programs.

    more funding anyone????

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