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Wow...then maybe they'll have to get loans and pay them back like the rest of us did. The horror.
Boston.comNearly a quarter of low- and moderate-income college students who currently qualify for federal Pell grants will see their awards reduced or eliminated under a change in federal rules that Congress allowed in its new spending bill passed over the weekend, according to an estimate from higher education analysts.
About 85,000 of the 5.2 million students currently eligible to receive Pell grants will become ineligible. And 1.2 million others will get a smaller award under a new formula the government will use to determine how much families can afford to pay for college, according to estimates from the American Council on Education, or ACE. The change will take effect for students starting or returning to classes next summer or fall.
Higher education officials worry that the change, estimated to save the government about $300 million in next year's budget, will hurt students already struggling to pay for college.
''Nobody knows if the change will actually lead anybody to abandon their plans for postsecondary education," said Terry Hartle, senior vice president at ACE. ''The best-case scenario is that families will have to dig deeper to pay for college, perhaps by working more hours or taking out more loans."
Now we know were the administration plans on getting more troops.
Wow...then maybe they'll have to get loans and pay them back like the rest of us did. The horror.
Naaahh...they can just call Jim!
Maybe they will SpursWoman, but maybe when the rest of India moves to Fredricksburg to work for USAA we'll all stop wondering why.
Our priorities are ed in this country when the president and congress manage to appropriate money for so many damn useless things such as promoting marriage and don't allocate enough money for education.
A HS diploma gets you so damn far nowadays.
Sincerely,
One bitter ass student who has never been able to get a Pell Grant because he held a job even though he was still poor as .
Why would it make one bitter expecting others to have to pay for their education the way you do, by actually having to work for it?
There are also tons of private organizations that offer scholarships & grants, people serious about completing their education don't have to rely on the government exclusively for educational assistance.
Why am I bitter?
Because the fact that I choose to work the government said no no, we can't give you any grant money, yet people who sit on their ass and come from households who have made more money get grants?
Yeah, NO REASON.
And on top of that, when I see all the ing things the government wastes money on, and the contracts they give to lobbyists and friends, and I can't get a ing helping hand?
I don't ask for free as a rule, and I make my own way. But asking that my tax dollars are invest in a smarter way that will only benifit our country isn't too much to ask.
THE BOTTOM LINE:
With jobs going overseas because of a more educated workforce as well as reports that entail the decline of our education system, we should be doing everything possible to make it EASIER for students to pursue a higher education.
If nothing else, we should maintain the current SUBSTANDARD levels of help available.
You are free to take a self righteous "I paid my own way, why can't they" stance, but in the end it will end up only hurting htis country.
To some extent, I agree with you. The government gives WAY too much money to porkbarrel projects and neither party is free from blame. We subsidize farmers and tobacco growers and lots of other things that probably shouldn't be.
I believe a lot of the blame can be placed on Congressmen (and women) who come from very priveleged backgrounds and they don't know the meaning of living within their means or budgets that must be kept. Put some hard-working middle class people or single parents who really know what it means to tighten the belt and we would probably see a big difference.
But nobody wants their "pet" project or cause cut, and so the government has to cut something, and, unfortunately, education seems to be the thing that most people won't scream about! It's very sad!
For example, I was in Dallas yesterday and was reading the paper - there was a story about a young woman who got pregnant at 17 and had quadruplets! She isn't married, the father of the babies is married to another woman and isn't paying any child support. The idiot young woman doesn't want to hassle him about child support, she wants him to pay it voluntarily! However, this woman gets over $500 a month from social security for each baby! The girl is a high school dropout and will probably never amount to much and by the way, did I mention she's pregnant again by the same guy!! This really hacks me off - why should taxpayers pay for her stupidity, but the father doesn't!! The $24,000 a year that she's getting from social security would more than pay the complete bill for my daughter's year of college and she's at a private university.
I just asked why it should make you bitter, not that you didn't have a reason to be.
I never could get grants, either...and I've known people who have got them in excess of their need and used it as beer money. I've had more than my fair share of "life's not fair" situations, too.
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Last edited by SpursWoman; 11-29-2004 at 06:59 PM. Reason: not in the mood :)
I don't mean to argue, I just get fired up. You know how hard headed I am.
Hey Manny.....believe it or not I understand. However, I am proud of you for choosing to work. Good luck man!!!!
You know, we're going to have a staff editorial tomorrow about this in The University Star.
I'm getting grants, but any excess money goes towards books or rent. The excess cash has been getting less and less to the point that it doesn't cover all of my tuition and fees here at State.
I've had to take out loans to supplememt the rest. I was only able to register for six hours before the early reg stopped and I recieved an early "bill" for $1200. That's not a lot compared to some private schools, but it's the school I chose. Once I finish registering for spring, it'll probably top out at around $2600 for the semester in tuition and fees alone.
I also have a job that takes me back to San Antonio once a week and on weekends, along with another job that takes me to Austin 2-3 times a month. That doesn't even include my time at The University Star.
I also have about $9000 in loans already and will probably hit $15K by the time I finish.
I'll admit that the criteria for choosing pell grant recipients is flawed and old, but a family making little money probably can't afford college without some help. If the help's there, give it to those that truly need it.
I'd be happy to subject myself to more questions about my income if it meant I could have more of it paid for if I couldn't afford college.
Same for you, SW. If you could show your situation at the time and could prove your drive was there to finish college, I'd want the money go to helping you better your life at the expense of somebody's beer money without a second though instead of you having to take out extra loans.
My husband's med school was a private school. I think tuition at the time was around $20k a year. So not only did we borrow for that but extra just to live (we were living in San Francisco). He also deferred payments for 3 years. So tack on interest and our student loan payment is actually a 2nd mortgage for us (it's more than my mortgage).
Manny, he looks at his loans this way; as an investment. And that's what they are. An investment in his career.
BTW, we wouldn't have qualified for a grant either. He wasn't working, but I had a job it certainly was not enough to survive on especially living in SF.
I hear the military has a nice tuition savings program.
No pain, no gain.
what always sucked for me was that i was too average...i wasnt poor enough to get pell grants, so all my financial aid has been a loan, i believe im in debt about 23,000 right now. as for scholarships, my grades were about average, not exceptional, so i miss out on those too
And a lot of students already do this, but once again you miss the point.
In this instance you're asking students to risk their lives for an education.
How is that enticing to very many students?
Also, you run the risk of getting people into the military soley for the purpose of money, and then you get a military loaded with people who really shoudln't be there.
I WANT MY TAX DOLLARS REINVESTED SMARTER.
Quite frankly, I'm tired of the majority of money going TO the military while students find it harder each year.
Oh, and this doesn't even go into how tu ion just keeps going, up, up, AND UP.
I think they should increase the college benefits for those who serve in our military.
If they are brave enough to risk their necks they deserve to reap the benefits.
But I would say you have to serve at least a 4 year hitch.
There ya go Commander!
Speaking of enticements, college education = bigger paychecks. You are going to attend college regardless, correct? There's not much incentive for me, as a taxpayer, to give you money.
Money fuels the military. With less money, your ass would get drafted. Patriotism makes for a nice sound bite, but, no money, no military.
Quite frankly, so long as you have discretionary income, I, as a taxpayer, do not want to give you money, unless I one day make it to a gtg; then I'd buy you a drink.
the military has a great savings plan...when i was in i had to pay 100 a month for 12 months for a total of 1200 to get the gi bill.. now i am making 1000 a month for 36...best investment i ever made!
But you support the amount of money our military is getting now GoN?
In essence, you are now asking me if I support the war in Iraq, and we are no longer talking about your personal finances.
I am against all unnecessary government spending. How's that?
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