Duncan vs. KG facts.

[lebomb]

duncan has had draft picks kg has not

KG was surrounded by a pretty good team about 4-5yrs ago...with Joe Smith (before his decline) and they STILL couldnt get it done.

[ChumpDumper]

Duncan has owned him for his entire career

The type of ownage wasn't specified, so in several very real aspects, this statement is true.

[Spurminator]

Career ownership <> Statistical superiority in games played against each other.

I mean, duh.

[E20]

They must not teach arithmetic in Podunk, Texas.

http://www.insidehoops.com/all-star-...-results.shtml

Okay that was my bad, I mixed up 2006 and 2007. In 2006 TD started and KG did not.

http://www.nba.com/allstar2006/

Tim Duncan has started in every All-Star game he's played, while KG hasn't.

[lebomb]

Ok.....simple question.

Who would you rather have as your PF...........Tim or KG.

To me its an absolute NO brainer.....Tim D. period.

[monosylab1k]

Joe Smith (before his decline)

Joe Smith was in decline the day he got drafted. If Joe Smith is the second best player on a team, that team can't be good.

[Xylus]

Ok.....simple question.

Who would you rather have as your PF...........Tim or KG.

To me its an absolute NO brainer.....Tim D. period.

I think he was responding to people saying that Duncan owns Garnett in head-to-head matchups, not which player is better.

[FromWayDowntown]

I also suspect that part of the reason that KG has better numbers in that matchup than Duncan does is that KG plays way more minutes in regular season games than Duncan ever does.

In fact, I went back and checked. In 10 years of regular season matchups between the teams, Duncan has played more minutes per game than Duncan in only 2 seasons (00-01 and 02-03). In some seasons, the difference isn't even close:

98 -- Duncan 37.3; Garnett 40.0 (Garnett +2.7 mpg)
99 -- Duncan 37.8; Garnett 39.0 (Garnett +1.2 mpg)
00 -- Duncan 40.0; Garnett 40.0 (EVEN)
01 -- Duncan 44.8; Garnett 42.8 (Duncan +2.0 mpg)
02 -- Duncan 37.0; Garnett 37.3 (Garnett +0.3 mpg)
03 -- Duncan 42.3; Garnett 42.0 (Duncan +0.3 mpg)
04 -- Duncan 37.3; Garnett 39.0 (Garnett +1.7 mpg)
05 -- Duncan 32.0; Garnett 34.3 (Garnett +2.3 mpg)
06 -- Duncan 33.5; Garnett 38.7 (Garnett +5.2 mpg)
07 -- Duncan 34.0; Garnett 44.0 (Garnett +10.0 mpg)

Is it really that surprising that a guy who plays more minutes would have superior numbers? I suppose, if anything, it's probably a testament to Duncan that he's as close as he is to Garnett over that time without having had the benefit of those extra minutes that KG plays against the Spurs. It might not be much in some seasons, but extra time on the floor certainly creates additional opportunities to put up numbers; and it's not inconceivable that in some of those relatively close years, Garnett's extra minute or two is sufficient for him to grab another board and score another bucket, which in the end is really the only difference between the players in those categories.

[lebomb]

I think he was responding to people saying that Duncan owns Garnett in head-to-head matchups, not which player is better.

1pt here.....1 rebound there......so what. TD won about 95% of those games......LMAO.

[mardigan]

duncan has had draft picks kg has not

Oh, you mean like the late 1st and late 2nd that turned out to be Parker and Ginobil? The T-Wolves could have drafted both of those players.
When was the last time the SPurs had a high 1st round pick?
Meanwhile, the T-Wolves get pretty good picks ever year, and just waste them. So that little excuse is bull

[E20]

I also suspect that part of the reason that KG has better numbers in that matchup than Duncan does is that KG plays way more minutes in regular season games than Duncan ever does.

In fact, I went back and checked. In 10 years of regular season matchups between the teams, Duncan has played more minutes per game than Duncan in only 2 seasons (00-01 and 02-03). In some seasons, the difference isn't even close:

98 -- Duncan 37.3; Garnett 40.0 (Garnett +2.7 mpg)
99 -- Duncan 37.8; Garnett 39.0 (Garnett +1.2 mpg)
00 -- Duncan 40.0; Garnett 40.0 (EVEN)
01 -- Duncan 44.8; Garnett 42.8 (Duncan +2.0 mpg)
02 -- Duncan 37.0; Garnett 37.3 (Garnett +0.3 mpg)
03 -- Duncan 42.3; Garnett 42.0 (Duncan +0.3 mpg)
04 -- Duncan 37.3; Garnett 39.0 (Garnett +1.7 mpg)
05 -- Duncan 32.0; Garnett 34.3 (Garnett +2.3 mpg)
06 -- Duncan 33.5; Garnett 38.7 (Garnett +5.2 mpg)
07 -- Duncan 34.0; Garnett 44.0 (Garnett +10.0 mpg)

Is it really that surprising that a guy who plays more minutes would have superior numbers? I suppose, if anything, it's probably a testament to Duncan that he's as close as he is to Garnett over that time without having had the benefit of those extra minutes that KG plays against the Spurs. It might not be much in some seasons, but extra time on the floor certainly creates additional opportunities to put up numbers; and it's not inconceivable that in some of those relatively close years, Garnett's extra minute or two is sufficient for him to grab another board and score another bucket, which in the end is really the only difference between the players in those categories.

Duncans career stats are still slightly better even with the less minutes he's played.

[PM5K]

KG was surrounded by a pretty good team about 4-5yrs ago...with Joe Smith (before his decline) and they STILL couldnt get it done.

They've never had a good team, they've had a semi decent team when they lost to the Lakers in the Western Conference Finals, the same Lakers team that beat us 4-2 in the semis.

An important thing to note though is that while Garnett's numbers stayed virtually the same the next year, Cassell's and Sprewell's both declined in many categories, and let's not forget their joke of a coach who has continued to show how much of a joke he is in Detroit, Flip Saunders...

[da_suns_fan__]

I also suspect that part of the reason that KG has better numbers in that matchup than Duncan does is that KG plays way more minutes in regular season games than Duncan ever does.

In fact, I went back and checked. In 10 years of regular season matchups between the teams, Duncan has played more minutes per game than Duncan in only 2 seasons (00-01 and 02-03). In some seasons, the difference isn't even close:

98 -- Duncan 37.3; Garnett 40.0 (Garnett +2.7 mpg)
99 -- Duncan 37.8; Garnett 39.0 (Garnett +1.2 mpg)
00 -- Duncan 40.0; Garnett 40.0 (EVEN)
01 -- Duncan 44.8; Garnett 42.8 (Duncan +2.0 mpg)
02 -- Duncan 37.0; Garnett 37.3 (Garnett +0.3 mpg)
03 -- Duncan 42.3; Garnett 42.0 (Duncan +0.3 mpg)
04 -- Duncan 37.3; Garnett 39.0 (Garnett +1.7 mpg)
05 -- Duncan 32.0; Garnett 34.3 (Garnett +2.3 mpg)
06 -- Duncan 33.5; Garnett 38.7 (Garnett +5.2 mpg)
07 -- Duncan 34.0; Garnett 44.0 (Garnett +10.0 mpg)

Is it really that surprising that a guy who plays more minutes would have superior numbers? I suppose, if anything, it's probably a testament to Duncan that he's as close as he is to Garnett over that time without having had the benefit of those extra minutes that KG plays against the Spurs. It might not be much in some seasons, but extra time on the floor certainly creates additional opportunities to put up numbers; and it's not inconceivable that in some of those relatively close years, Garnett's extra minute or two is sufficient for him to grab another board and score another bucket, which in the end is really the only difference between the players in those categories.

What about the fewer number of fouls?

And you haven't shown how many minutes they've averaged against EACH OTHER, have you?

[lebomb]

They've never had a good team, they've had a semi decent team when they lost to the Lakers in the Western Conference Finals, the same Lakers team that beat us 4-2 in the semis.

An important thing to note though is that while Garnett's numbers stayed virtually the same the next year, Cassell's and Sprewell's both declined in many categories, and let's not forget their joke of a coach who has continued to show how much of a joke he is in Detroit, Flip Saunders...

True....but remember, back then.....it was the Timberwolves the Spurs were most worried about in our division....it wasnt Houston, or Dallas or the Jazz yet.

[Spurminator]

What about the fewer number of fouls?

Maybe KG should be more intense on the defensive end.

[E20]

What about the fewer number of fouls?

And you haven't shown how many minutes they've averaged against EACH OTHER, have you?

90% of the time they don't even guard eachother, they guard the other big.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

I also suspect that part of the reason that KG has better numbers in that matchup than Duncan does is that KG plays way more minutes in regular season games than Duncan ever does.

In fact, I went back and checked. In 10 years of regular season matchups between the teams, Duncan has played more minutes per game than Duncan in only 2 seasons (00-01 and 02-03). In some seasons, the difference isn't even close:

98 -- Duncan 37.3; Garnett 40.0 (Garnett +2.7 mpg)
99 -- Duncan 37.8; Garnett 39.0 (Garnett +1.2 mpg)
00 -- Duncan 40.0; Garnett 40.0 (EVEN)
01 -- Duncan 44.8; Garnett 42.8 (Duncan +2.0 mpg)
02 -- Duncan 37.0; Garnett 37.3 (Garnett +0.3 mpg)
03 -- Duncan 42.3; Garnett 42.0 (Duncan +0.3 mpg)
04 -- Duncan 37.3; Garnett 39.0 (Garnett +1.7 mpg)
05 -- Duncan 32.0; Garnett 34.3 (Garnett +2.3 mpg)
06 -- Duncan 33.5; Garnett 38.7 (Garnett +5.2 mpg)
07 -- Duncan 34.0; Garnett 44.0 (Garnett +10.0 mpg)

Is it really that surprising that a guy who plays more minutes would have superior numbers? I suppose, if anything, it's probably a testament to Duncan that he's as close as he is to Garnett over that time without having had the benefit of those extra minutes that KG plays against the Spurs. It might not be much in some seasons, but extra time on the floor certainly creates additional opportunities to put up numbers; and it's not inconceivable that in some of those relatively close years, Garnett's extra minute or two is sufficient for him to grab another board and score another bucket, which in the end is really the only difference between the players in those categories.

"The winnah... and still champeen of using simple facts to kill stupid arguments: FWD!"

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

And since you probably still have the box scores open, FWD, could you tell us FG%, please?

[da_suns_fan__]

And since you probably still have the box scores open, FWD, could you tell us FG%, please?

Read the original post, dubass.

Duncan loses again.

[Spurminator]

You wouldn't happen to have head to head records would you? Playoffs included, of course.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Read the original post, dubass.

Duncan loses again.

I noticed MPG wasn't listed in your stats quote.

[E20]

There are extraneous factors besides head-to-head stats.

[E20]

Read the original post, dubass.

Duncan loses again.

By your link TD > KG in FG%

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Now correct me if I'm wrong, but how can the "head-to-head" matchup be valid if TD and KG have two different numbers of games?

D-S-F, where are those extra 13 games and who did TD go "head-to-head" with?

[ShoogarBear]

Here's a head-up-ass matchup: 2007 Sun Fan vs. 2006 Mav Fan.