Sounds like you should apply to be a scout for the Spurs. You could've saved them from themselves.
It probably improve from 1% to maybe 10% now that the Bulls beat writer is mentioning it. The key to the deal is the Bulls have to be in love with Scola and think he's their missing piece. Otherwise, there are teams out there that can offer them more than just Scola and scraps.
it's the nba, so this sounds like it makes too much sense to actually happen.Luis Scola, Melvin Ely (sign and trade), Brent Barry (for salary matching purposes) and a picks (Spurs and Raptors 2008 second rounders?) for Andres Nocioni?
Make it happen.
I was thinking that Elson might be a nice fit on the Bulls. But ChiTown already has a decent amount of bigs and they just drafted 2 more (Joakim Noah, Aaron Gray). Interestingly enough, the Spurs did have a fair amount of interest in Aaron Gray last year (enough that we wanted to trade into the bottom half of the first round to get him). I would be more than willing to send them Elson and grab up a guy like Gray just for kicks. Hes worth a look, but if it doesn't work out...hes still just a second rounder.
You do realize taht athleates don't grow on trees, right? You take a flyer on a guy at 33 that has a load of potential. Thats what you do with picks that late. Everything you mentioned can be taught, natural talent can't.
Why would the Spurs want to get rid of Elson after just one season? Remember he presents an athletic element at the 5 spot that the Spurs do not currently have.I was thinking that Elson might be a nice fit on the Bulls. But ChiTown already has a decent amount of bigs and they just drafted 2 more (Joakim Noah, Aaron Gray). Interestingly enough, the Spurs did have a fair amount of interest in Aaron Gray last year (enough that we wanted to trade into the bottom half of the first round to get him). I would be more than willing to send them Elson and grab up a guy like Gray just for kicks. Hes worth a look, but if it doesn't work out...hes still just a second rounder.
The more I look at Bulls roster, the more I think that Bonner is the Spurs that will interest Bulls to be the filler in a Nocioni for Scola trade.
If Bulls trade Nocioni, they won't have a single SF, PF or C able to shoot 3's.
Scola's buyout won't be a factor.
Spurs will negotiate with Scola about the buyout before the trade and will know what contract Scola ask to go in nba (if he is still interested).
Bulls will just have to give him this contract after the trade.
If I'm the Spurs, I do not let go of Bonner.
However back to Nocioni, does anyone have an idea as to how he fits in with this roster? From what little I've seen of him, I know he's a 6'7" forward, can shoot the 3 ball and is very tough minded. However, I'm wondering if he has the quicks to play and defend the SF position or the power to play PF in a small ball lineup. What does he do best? What are his limitations?
yes.Luis Scola, Melvin Ely (sign and trade), Brent Barry (for salary matching purposes) and a picks (Spurs and Raptors 2008 second rounders?) for Andres Nocioni?
Does anyone think we're signing Hill?
Losing Bonner won't be abig deal if Nocioni come.
Nocioni is a tweener. Using him only at the SF spot or at the PF spot would be a mistake. Matchups will decide if he should play PF or SF.
I like Bonner because he's got a heavy motor. He hustles, rebounds and can shoot the 3 ball. This guy is an energy player. Given Horry's age and Pop's penchant for regulating Horry's minutes during the regular season, I was looking forward to seeing Bonner get more minutes next season.
Problem with the whole premise- Spurs can't sign and trade Scola.Another player to consider is 6-9 Argentinean power forward Luis Scola, who averaged 17 points and 7.2 rebounds in the Spanish league for Tau Ceramica. San Antonio has held Scola’s rights since 2002, and he has a sizable buyout in his Spanish contract. But so did Nocioni.
Scola, 27, is a potential inside scorer and has been billed by some as the best player not currently in the NBA. Theoretically, the Spurs could sign Scola and send him to the Bulls in a sign-and-trade for Nocioni. Cound represents both players.
Actually- I looked it up and I thought you had to wait until Dec like others, but it looks like you only have to wait 30 days to trade a signed draft pick. Is that right? But, it's not technically a sign and trade so it would not be guaranteed to happen after those 30 days is up.
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I like Bonner too but Nocioni can do the same think (hustle, rebound, shooting) and is better.
If Spurs get Nocioni and re-sign Bonner, Bonner won't get a lot of playtime next year.
If we can get Nocioni it would be perfect
according to the article Noci could get a payday of 6-7 mil, but that sounds kind of high to me, I was thinking more in the 5 mil range.
Don't think so. Just drafted Noah for that purpose - energetic rebounder and shot blocker with no offensive game. Sound familiar? Maybe it's just the hair.
this needs to become reality.
No. IMHO. He's as old as the wings we're trying to replace, and he doesn't shoot the three ball.
This trade makes too much sense, which is why it probably won't happen
From what he says sounds like he'll be playing for the Suns next year.
Wow timvp.
You were not so hot on Nocioni after his first season. Especially after what he did in the playoffs that year.
I like the fact he has convinced you his good!
Let's try to get Hermann and Delfino while we're at it.
I'm not down with giving away Ian, Splitter, or White....especially White.
These fellas are out future young guys and I rather keep them.
I like the combination of Scola, Barry, Udrih, Bonner, and Picks....I can live with that.
I would not give up Splitter, Ian, or White....and no Williams either.
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