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[johnsmith]

Celebrities need to use transportation that will afford them a certain amount of protection. (if that's what you mean by hypocritical)

When they say " caused by man" they're including themselves.

If Bush didn't use the same kind of transportation, he'd be a dead man.

What about all the energy used up by putting on 6 different concerts around the globe?

Was that to make sure that they wasted energy throughout the entire world rather then just a centralized location like most concerts do?

[Yonivore]

Am I on ignore again? seriouly though i've never put anyone on ignore does that mean you don't see their posts?

in regards to boutons his messages he would be better received if he used less confrontational lagnuage. anyway my 2 cents.. I don't approve calling anyone names (except on occasion when yoni deserves it).

That's okay, I can take it.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Why is it a stretch?

I took 3 easy steps to relevancy for you.

1) Algore (political element);

2) throws a party with a HUGE carbon footprint for all anthropogenic climate change myrmidons and nobody's interested (topic of political interest); and,

3) the irony is ignored by the press, (another favorite of my -- a slanted press).

What's the stretch?

That's a stretch.

I guess I could make the claim that 9/11 and the war on aren't related to the war in Iraq

1. Al-qaeda attacked us on 9/11
2. Taliban harbored al-qaeda and leadership in afghanistan
3. we invade afghanistan
4. bush invades iraq under the guise of the war on terror and 9/11

to me this is a HUGE stretch

[clambake]

Boutons is referring to Cheney. C'mon John, I agree with his need for delivery adjustment.

[johnsmith]

That's a stretch.

I guess I could make the claim that 9/11 and the war on aren't related to the war in Iraq

1. Al-qaeda attacked us on 9/11
2. Taliban harbored al-qaeda and leadership in afghanistan
3. we invade afghanistan
4. bush invades iraq under the guise of the war on terror and 9/11

to me this is a HUGE stretch

So let me get this straight, Al Gore and the rest of the "global warming" folks put on a giant concert that isn't watched by hardly anyone, accomplishes next to nothing, pollutes the entire planet, and wastes enough energy to power Wisconsin, and everyone is going to avoid it and move back to the Iraq stuff?


Got it.

Since we're changing the subject, who do you guys like for next year's Super Bowl?

[johnsmith]

Boutons is referring to Cheney. C'mon John, I agree with his need for delivery adjustment.

Alright, fine, I'm done with that stuff for today.





On a side note, I'm not accomplishing anything at work today. Good for me.

[Yonivore]

First. No, clambake, you're not off ignore. I just couldn't resist responding because, in all fairness, you raise a couple of good points.

Celebrities need to use transportation that will afford them a certain amount of protection. (if that's what you mean by hypocritical)

What's wrong with an environmentally conscious concert where the celebrities perform via satellite from their environmentally-friendly homes?

I know the technology exists.

When they say " caused by man" they're including themselves.

We know, it's the excluding themselves from doing any of the things they admonish you and I to do that is the hypocrisy.

If Bush didn't use the same kind of transportation, he'd be a dead man.

I don't think the President is a big Algore "man-is-killing-the-planet" follower, if you know what I mean and I think that you do.

[clambake]

What about all the energy used up by putting on 6 different concerts around the globe?

Was that to make sure that they wasted energy throughout the entire world rather then just a centralized location like most concerts do?

You could say that about every political fund raising event or convention.

It takes energy to spread any word to the masses.

[George Gervin's Afro]

I think we can agree that Al Gore can't jump on a bus in downtown DC for security purposes (especially with people like Yoni out in the world). Secondly anybody who is 'famous' must always have a certain amount of security due to your every day societal nuts. it would be impractical for any VP or 'star' to take public trasnportaion or ride a bike. so to say that this should exclude these people from promoting activities that would lessen the impacts on our climate is politically motivated.

[johnsmith]

You could say that about every political fund raising event or convention.

It takes energy to spread any word to the masses.

You're telling me that the best way to spread the message in regards to global warming is to cause mass-pollution in the form of greenhouse gases and to waste an unbelievable amount of energy to put on a bunch of rock concerts in which the average age of attendance was probably around 13 (judging by the bands they had)?


Come on, you guys know, you absolutely know that "Live Earth" was a hypocritical waste of damn near everything.


, it's wasting my time right now as I type this.

[Yonivore]

That's a stretch.

I guess I could make the claim that 9/11 and the war on aren't related to the war in Iraq

1. Al-qaeda attacked us on 9/11
2. Taliban harbored al-qaeda and leadership in afghanistan
3. we invade afghanistan
4. bush invades iraq under the guise of the war on terror and 9/11

to me this is a HUGE stretch

Ah, but you left out some very significant steps. Let me summarize them in two points:

3a. Saddam ignored all attempts to bring him into compliance with international mandates, he defied the international community, harrassed and threatened weapons inspectors -- ultimately running them out of Iraq, he failed to account for tons of known stocks of chemical weapons agents, and he behaved as though he were recons uting his WMD programs -- and made threats to Kuwait -- among other things, including committing human and environmental atrocities in his own country. (okay, that was longer than I intended it to be and, it's not an exhaustive list, but, you get the drift).

3b. A large contingent of al Qaeda fled to Iraq after we invaded Afghanistan.

You're welcome.

[johnsmith]

Ah, but you left out some very significant steps. Let me summarize them in two points:

3a. Saddam ignored all attempts to bring him into compliance with international mandates, he defied the international community, harrassed and threatened weapons inspectors -- ultimately running them out of Iraq, he failed to account for tons of known stocks of chemical weapons agents, and he behaved as though he were recons uting his WMD programs -- and made threats to Kuwait -- among other things, including committing human and environmental atrocities in his own country. (okay, that was longer than I intended it to be and, it's not an exhaustive list, but, you get the drift).

3b. A large contingent of al Qaeda fled to Iraq after we invaded Afghanistan.

You're welcome.

, I'm spent. You guys managed to get Yoni to change the subject on his own thread.

Rock on Al Gore, Rock On indeed.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Ah, but you left out some very significant steps. Let me summarize them in two points:

3a. Saddam ignored all attempts to bring him into compliance with international mandates, he defied the international community, harrassed and threatened weapons inspectors -- ultimately running them out of Iraq, he failed to account for tons of known stocks of chemical weapons agents, and he behaved as though he were recons uting his WMD programs -- and made threats to Kuwait -- among other things, including committing human and environmental atrocities in his own country. (okay, that was longer than I intended it to be and, it's not an exhaustive list, but, you get the drift).

3b. A large contingent of al Qaeda fled to Iraq after we invaded Afghanistan.

You're welcome.

My point is that it's a stretch. I am just using the same logic you use and applying to other situations.

[Yonivore]

I think we can agree that Al Gore can't jump on a bus in downtown DC for security purposes (especially with people like Yoni out in the world).

Did Algore attend all 7 concerts? If not, why personally attend any? Satellite feeds are very environmentally conscious.

Secondly anybody who is 'famous' must always have a certain amount of security due to your every day societal nuts. it would be impractical for any VP or 'star' to take public trasnportaion or ride a bike. so to say that this should exclude these people from promoting activities that would lessen the impacts on our climate is politically motivated.

Again, I think you're missing the bigger point of why create a huge event with an even bigger "carbon footprint" to raise awareness of what you believe is the cause of global climate change -- human activity.

Duh.

[clambake]

I don't think the President is a big Algore "man-is-killing-the-planet" follower, if you know what I mean and I think that you do.

We agree. And I wouldn't think you would be either, without W's approval.

But Bush's bed is made of oil and coal, so that's where your allegiance lies, in Bush's bed.

Why do you follow this guy with no regard to logic? Is it that God thing of yours?

[Yonivore]

My point is that it's a stretch. I am just using the same logic you use and applying to other situations.

A stretch to relevancy? What the do you mean?

What wasn't relevant about my post?

[George Gervin's Afro]

Did Algore attend all 7 concerts? If not, why personally attend any? Satellite feeds are very environmentally conscious.


Again, I think you're missing the bigger point of why create a huge event with an even bigger "carbon footprint" to raise awareness of what you believe is the cause of global climate change -- human activity.

Duh.

I am talking about the bigger picture. I am talking about the argument in general reagrding anyone who promotes climate friendly practices and not specifically about this concert.

[Yonivore]

My point is that it's a stretch. I am just using the same logic you use and applying to other situations.

First, my two points nicely tied your last point to the others and, they're relevant to what you were trying to demonstrate.

Second, if I used the same logic, what steps did I omit?

[George Gervin's Afro]

A stretch to relevancy? What the do you mean?

What wasn't relevant about my post?

I never said it wasn't relevant. I said it was a stretch.

[Yonivore]

I am talking about the bigger picture. I am talking about the argument in general reagrding anyone who promotes climate friendly practices and not specifically about this concert.

Yeah, but I WAS talking about the concert. Maybe it's you that's not relevant here.

Don't you find it completely hypocritical that the biggest proponent of draconian methods to reduce man's production of greenhouse gases would throw together a global spectacle that belched out greenhouse gases measured in the tons?

It's kind of got me wondering if his support will start eroding. After all, he's the one that's been the big cheerleader for this idiotic new scientific certainty measurement called "concensus." If he's this reckless with our climate, what's to say he wasn't wrong about all that other he spewed out in his Oscar-winning Docudrama?

And don't you find it exquisitely ironic that, in creating this huge carbon footprint of a fiasco, he reached so few people? I do. It's why I posted this thread. What's your excuse?

[Yonivore]

I never said it wasn't relevant. I said it was a stretch.

What do you mean stretch?

What was I stretching?

[George Gervin's Afro]

Yeah, but I WAS talking about the concert. Maybe it's you that's not relevant here.

Don't you find it completely hypocritical that the biggest proponent of draconian methods to reduce man's production of greenhouse gases would throw together a global spectacle that belched out greenhouse gases measured in the tons?

It's kind of got me wondering if his support will start eroding. After all, he's the one that's been the big cheerleader for this idiotic new scientific certainty measurement called "concensus." If he's this reckless with our climate, what's to say he wasn't wrong about all that other he spewed out in his Oscar-winning Docudrama?

And don't you find it exquisitely ironic that, in creating this huge carbon footprint of a fiasco, he reached so few people? I do. It's why I posted this thread. What's your excuse?

If the end result created more awareness and encouraged more eco friendly practices then it was worth it. Sort of like going to war will cause us to use resources in the short term with the hope that it will save more lives in the long run.

[Yonivore]

If the end result created more awareness and encouraged more eco friendly practices then it was worth it.

Yeah, but it didn't create more awareness and, second, when you're acting like 25 incandescent bulbs in my house are killing the planet and should be replaced immediately (with highly toxic, super-fund spill producing, miniature flourescent bulbs), I think you owe it to me to be more environmentally responsible if you want me to pay attention to you.

Like I said before, and I'm not in the business of putting together the big glitzy concerts, I think it could have been done much more environmentally friendly. Much, much, much more. I also believe a person who feared -- and who has put the fear in many other people -- of catastrophic climate calamities caused by just such extravagancies should be more aware, himself, of what he's doing.

Don't you?

Sort of like going to war will cause us to use resources in the short term with the hope that it will save more lives in the long run.

Well, according to Algore, there is no long-term to catastrophic climate change. If we don't stop today, they're may not be a tomorrow. If he is to be believed, he doesn't have the luxury of employing a strategy that considers the long term.