The Traded Reviewed Again

[ArgSpursFan]

what scares me the most about this trade is that the rockets front court with Yao and Scola playing Well( I mean not spectacular)will become way more efective tham last year.
Think of this:When the Rockets face the Spurs,they are gonna put Scola on Oberto(who has been the X factor for the spurs in the last playoffs)and he knows Fabri very very well,and Yao on Timmy.
So those matchups can go down like this:
Scola>Fabri(unfortunely)
Yao & Timmy(a push)

[whottt]

I know you didn't just say Yao VS Timmy = a push.

Oberto VS Scola is the push.

Tmac is the only Rocket that is going to have an advantage against his man.

Duncan Yao is most certainly is not a push...it's decidedly in favor of Duncan and since Yao is the better offensive player out of he and Scola(and arguably TMac as well)...I think it'll be just great to have Duncan foul Yao out of the game.

And you can't defend intelligence...which is what Oberto has in abundance...Oberto doesn't have any set moves he uses with regularity...it's mostly rebounding and situational putbacks...

And if Scola actually plays D...it'll be a first. Ditto if he crashes the boards...if he was willing to crash the boards...he'd be here now.


And I know you aren't saying Oberto is going to defend Scola...Duncan will defend Scola...and destroy him....Oberto or Elson, will defend Yao..

I wouldn't count on Yao defending Duncan...it'll be Scola...and then you are going to understand what defense, or lack of it, is.

[ArgSpursFan]

I didn´t said who was gonna get scola,I said who Scola was going to get on D,And that´s fabricio,you can count on that.

[whottt]

That would mean Yao guards Duncan...that is not going to happen because Yao is a more valuable player...they will not waste him on defending Duncan, since he cannot stop Duncan anyway, they will waste the less valuable player...Scola.

Yao = #1 pick, franchise C.
Scola = 57th pick...not a franchise anything.


I hope you're right though...I hope they do put Yao on Duncan.

[ArgSpursFan]

That would mean Yao guards Duncan...that is not going to happen because Yao is a more valuable player...they will not waste him on defending Duncan, since he cannot stop Duncan anyway, they will waste the less valuable player...Scola.

Yao = #1 pick, franchise C.
Scola = 57th pick...not a franchise anything.

yeah,right...just like manu,huh?

[L.I.T]

I must be missing something here.

When you have a great offensive pivot, a guy who attracts a lot of attention in the half-court, hasn't the best combination been to plug a 'rugged', defensive rebounding big next to him who can occasionally hit the mid-range jumper and play smart? This is supposed to be the guy who will body up on the other teams primary big on defense and keep the other team honest on the offensive end.

For example, Horace Grant/AC Green next to Shaq, or Robinson next to Duncan (and Oberto/Nazr/Rasho to a certain extent), Otis Thorpe and Olajuwon, Oakley with Ewing.

Scola will definitely help with taking offensive pressure off of Yao. But the tough, defensive presence? As has been indicated, not bloody likely.

[whottt]

yeah,right...just like manu,huh?

You insult Manu by comparing his talent to Scola's. You insult him greatly.

[ArgSpursFan]

You insult Manu by comparing his talent to Scola's. You insult him greatly.

you actually did by saying that a late second round pick don´t mean .
Sorry Wottt,keep trying.

[whottt]

I must be missing something here.

When you have a great offensive pivot, a guy who attracts a lot of attention in the half-court, hasn't the best combination been to plug a 'rugged', defensive rebounding big next to him who can occasionally hit the mid-range jumper and play smart? This is supposed to be the guy who will body up on the other teams primary big on defense and keep the other team honest on the offensive end.

For example, Horace Grant/AC Green next to Shaq, or Robinson next to Duncan (and Oberto/Nazr/Rasho to a certain extent), Otis Thorpe and Olajuwon, Oakley with Ewing.

Scola will definitely help with taking offensive pressure off of Yao. But the tough, defensive presence? As has been indicated, not bloody likely.

In defense of ArgSpursFan...believe it or not...he's not saying Scola is a great defensive player...he's saying he could defend Oberto, because he knows his game, and probably because there's some kind of Argie rivalry there...and he's probably right about that. But he's mistaken IMO, if he thinks the Rockets aren going to waste Yao on Duncan...who he can't come close to stopping.

Adelman values offense more than defense...he's not going to waste his most effieicent scorer in a futle attempt to stop Duncan IMO...that would be extremely uncommon in todays NBA on deep teams...that's why Duncan and Shaq are seldom matched up..even when they were the best defensive bigs on their respective teams.

[whottt]

you actually did by saying that a late second round pick don´t mean .
Sorry Wottt,keep trying.

Manu wasn't a good player when he was taken with that pick, in 1999, 4 years before he made it to the NBA...and he improved exponentially. Scola hasn't really gotten much better at all. Scola is probably first round talent...but he's not anywhere near number one pick talent. Yao isn't exactly up to #1 pick talent either...unless he's being compared to Scola.



Manu is a better basketball player than Yao...and Yao is better than Scola.

[hater]

No doubt Scola will guard Duncan and will get killed.

but Yao/Scola on offense will be fun to watch

[whottt]

but Yao on offense will be fun to watch

Fixed...

You do realize Duncan has graded out as the best defensive player in the NBA for 2 years straight now...

Do you honestly think Scola is going to do anything against the anchor of the best NBA defense in history?

[whottt]

And Oberto has his problems with traditional NBA C's...but he's eaten International C's for lunch...Oberto punked Okur...the much bigger Okur.


Who do you think guards all those guys in international play during crunch time for team Argie? It's not Scola...it's Oberto.

[AFBlue]

Below is Marc Stein's take on the deal from a chat on ESPN.com....FWIW.

Mike, San Antonio: What do you think of the Spurs' Scola/Butler trade? I thought they gave both of those assets up for too little (nothing in fact).

Marc Stein: (11:14 AM ET ) They definitely did not want to trade him to Houston. Scola was close to going to Cleveland in that Bibby three-way. But SA simply felt it could not pass up on overall savings of $7 million so took the gamble of sending Scola to a neighbor. The Spurs were a mere $200K over the tax line last season, but that meant they didn't receive the payment ($1.8 million for '06-07) that teams got back for staying under the tax line.

http://proxy.espn.go.com/chat/chatESPN?event_id=16556

[hater]

Fixed...

You do realize Duncan has graded out as the best defensive player in the NBA for 2 years straight now...

Do you honestly think Scola is going to do anything against the anchor of the best NBA defense in history?

you obviously don't pay attention to Duncan on D. he always helps on D. so Scola who is crafty will get his. Scola is also a good passer so I see this team working good on O after a while of getting used to.

[whottt]

I can't believe I am having to explain the greatness of Manu to an Argentine...

Here's the deal Argie Baby...

You national team isn't jack without Manu on it...he makes every thing on it go. And when he is gone...it's run will be over....unless you guys got a another Argie I haven't seen yet that compares to Manu.

Manu is the NBA Champion, the Olympic Champion, the European Champion...not Scola. He won an Olympic Medal...on Manu's team...when Manu got hurt in the 2002 WC...Argentina didn't do ...no World Championship.


Manu = European MVP, Euroleague Finals MVP, Olympic MVP...and he made a pretty good run at the 05 Finals MVP.

Scola can't hold Manu's jock.

[sandman]

I didn´t said who was gonna get scola,I said who Scola was going to get on D,And that´s fabricio,you can count on that.

Nah, they will make him defend Duncan so that Yao can guard the lesser offensive big man, which is Oberto in the case of the Spurs. This will be for two reasons:

1. Yao is not quick (yes, I realize that is a vast understatement) and would be better suited to guard Oberto who trolls around the lane for backdoors and putbacks, versus Duncan who can move out to about 18 feet with consistency. While Oberto can pop to the high post and hit that shot if needed, that is generally not where he is looking for his opportunities.

2. Yao will be the main offensive option on this team, and his size/conditioning/general ploddingness does not allow him to exert too much effort on the defensive end and still be a productive offensive player. For his height he is not an exceptional rebounder or shot blocker.

In a sense, Scola and Yao play the same type of basketball. Gifted offensively, but average in defense and rebounding. IMO, they will not compliment each other in the way that a DRob and Duncan did with the whole offense/defense scheme. Doesn't make either of them a bad player, just that they play the same game.

Scola will get the task of defending Duncan, but in all honesty neither would be shutting Timmy down. It is just not their strength. I realize that you are an Argie fan, but it is not realistic that they are going to risk foul trouble on Yao guarding Duncan just to let Scola guard someone whom he knows how to play against. This is Yao's team.

[whottt]

you obviously don't pay attention to Duncan on D. he always helps on D. so Scola who is crafty will get his. Scola is also a good passer so I see this team working good on O after a while of getting used to.

:yawn


And you must not have watched a Spurs game in the Duncan era.

The only guys Duncan can't handle are Shaq...and anyone faster than he is...which excludes every big man on the Rockets Team.

[Streakyshooter08]

I can see the 7 mio saving but I just don't understand that there was NO team in the east that would have taken Butler/Scola for nothing...

[whottt]

I'm tellin ya...the longer I see Mutombo on the Rockets bench and Scola off of it...the better. Ditto Chuck Hayes and Scola.

[sandman]

I'm tellin ya...the longer I see Mutombo on the Rockets bench and Scola off of it...the better.

Some of these Scola lovers seem to think that he will be the given the better defensive assignments and still put up the same level of offensive numbers that he does in Europe. They do realize that Yao is The Man on this team, right? Anything Scola gets will be secondary to that statement.

He will be an important cog in the Rocket's plan, just like he would have been in SA. But on either team, he is/was never going to be The Man.

[whottt]

Arg...after Duncan gets hold of Scola...and pays him back for the 2004 Olympics...I reccomend you give him Kenyon Martin's phone number so he can talk to someone who will understand what it's like to the property of Tim Duncan.

[whottt]

Some of these Scola lovers seem to think that he will be the given the better defensive assignments and still put up the same level of offensive numbers that he does in Europe. They do realize that Yao is The Man on this team, right? Anything Scola gets will be secondary to that statement.

He will be an important cog in the Rocket's plan, just like he would have been in SA. But on either team, he is/was never going to be The Man.

Everyone is giving Scola credit for Manu's achievements...I know. Even the Argies are doing it...when their careers obviously speak for themselves....

One guy wins no matter where he goes, championships, whether it be as a star, or a supporting player, off the bench, or in the starters slot, he always finds a way to make his teams the best...and the other guy has only won when he's been on Manu's team. The rest of the time he has faltered.

One guy is the Man(u)...and the other guy isn't.

[ArgSpursFan]

Arg...after Duncan gets hold of Scola...and pays him back for the 2004 Olympics...I reccomend you give him Kenyon Martin's phone number so he can talk to someone who will understand what it's like to the property of Tim Duncan.

Duncan is the best PF ever,on Offense and D.Not questions about it.
But,Does Scola make the Rockets better tham what they were?I think He does.
reasons why:
1-He wont be the main guy.That takes pressure out of him,just like in the Arg.national team.
2-High BBIQ.Adelmar knows that,and will try to explote that out of him and Yao too.
3-Big Heart.The guy is a warrior,He gives 110% night in and out,like most of Argies in the NBA.

Of course He wont be a franshise player,but he can be a 15/7 guy,and If Adelmar can make him a better passer tham what He alreay is,can average 3/4 apg also.

[whottt]

The thing is....in the 2002 WC...when Manu got injured...who stepped up out of Scola and Oberto? On offense....Oberto did, not Scola. Scola was yonger then..but still, he didn't step up...he stepped down. Oberto stepped up.

Scola hasn't done any kind of stepping up without Manu...Can he play better on Manu's team? Sure...but so can my grandma...that doesn't mean they are equal.