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that is a horrible list.
i can go on for paragraphs but to start with the last... iowa??? put them in the sec would they have ever been anything? another smu is what. the whole list is gank.
I didn't say they were national championship material. The point I was making, even teams that are that talented, they won't have a chance in the Big 10, because of exactly that, the conference being so talented... top to bottom. For example Michigan State should have, by all accounts, beaten Notre Dame last season. That in itself is proof of the Big 10's depth. Penn State was 2 seconds away from a possible national championship appearance a few years ago, if Lloyd Carr wasn't sucking the referees off on the sideline to get more time put back on the clock, they would have been right there. If Penn State ever gets a good quarterback again, it's over. Their defense is filthy good, every year.Are you kidding? I went to the MSU-Minnesota game this past season. Watching old people would have been more entertaining.
Seriously though....I like the Big 10 but I would hardly call what these two schools have done the last 10 years "highly successful".
Minnesota is barely over .500 at 64-57 and MSU is at .500 with a 59-59 record.
that is a horrible list.
i can go on for paragraphs but to start with the last... iowa??? put them in the sec would they have ever been anything? another smu is what. the whole list is gank.
Iowa:
Appearances in the final Associated Press Poll
2002 – 8th
2003 – 8th
2004 – 8th
Players: Bob Sanders, Brad Banks (Big Ten and AP Player of the Year), Dallas Clark (#24 pick in the draft, Mackey Award Winner), Nate Kaeding (Groza Award Winner), Robert Gallery (#2 pick in the draft, Outland Award Winner), Chad Greenway (#17 pick in the draft)
So... yeah... next...
Who are you? Nick Cannon?
I understand we're talking about 'in the last 10 years.' So on that note, consider Iowa being in the SEC or taking some SEC schools into the 'Pac-10.' Iowa wouldn't have done crap in one, and worse in the other. Even in the last decade.
It's funny because more and more you hear these little green ed 16 year olds talk about subjects (SPORTS especially) like they're a world war II vet. Plus on the web they're (non intentional) newbie posts make them seem like such s.
It's like that little wannabe chodebloading freak who posts articles on foxsports.com, like he's the savior of sports.
Tha U is gonna surprise a lot of people this year
He's hilaarious.Who are you? Nick Cannon?
Something I came across..of course this is one dude's opinion...
the question-what makes a national power, a national power?
4 tiers-kings barons knights and peasants..
Kings
Alabama, Florida, Florida State, Miami, Michigan, Nebraska, Notre Dame, Ohio State, Oklahoma, Penn State, Tennessee*, Texas and USC.
* Tennessee is the lone school in the group that caused any hesitation. The Vols would have been a no-brainer 10 years ago, but they have fallen off the map a bit lately. In the end, I figured those 100 fans in Montana still know "Rocky Top," the checkered end zones and that Peyton Manning went there.
Barons
Auburn, Clemson, Colorado, Georgia, LSU*, Texas A&M, UCLA, Virginia Tech, Washington and Wisconsin.
* While LSU is clearly a premier program right now, its big-picture tradition does not match those of the 13 kings. However, if the Tigers were to add another national le here in the next couple of years, they may well graduate to that group.
Knights
Arizona State, Arkansas, Boston College, Cal, Georgia Tech, Illinois, Iowa, Kansas State, Maryland, Michigan State, Missouri, N.C. State, Oklahoma State, Ole Miss, Oregon, Oregon State, Pittsburgh, Purdue, Stanford, Syracuse*, South Carolina, Texas Tech, Virginia, West Virginia and Washington State.
* In normal times, Syracuse would qualify as one of the barons, but they're just so darn bad and so irrelevant right now.
Peasants
Arizona, Baylor, Cincinnati, Connecticut, Duke, Minnesota, Indiana, Iowa State, Kansas, Kentucky, Mississippi State, North Carolina, Northwestern, Rutgers*, South Florida*, Wake Forest and Vanderbilt.
* Rutgers is another program that could be on its way up a tier, and South Florida is here by default because it's essentially a start-up.
There is one school intentionally missing from the list, and that's because I have no idea where to put it: Louisville. History-wise, the Cardinals are peasants, but the program has completely reinvented itself over the past decade and now gets mentioned with the kings and barons. For now, we'll just say: TBD.
I'm all for supporting the Big 10, but Iowa sucks. I have never seen Iowa win anything with any meaning in the last 10 years. All I can remember is the beatdowns they took from Ohio State last year and in 2005. The only years Iowa is any "good" is when they don't have OSU or Michigan on their schedule. Their biggest feather in their cap was beating Ohio State during a rebuilding year in 2004. Iowa beat a team with 4 losses, and was not a good team. After the win you would have thought they won the Super Bowl; just by that display the Iowa fans a players were subconsciously admitting their program's medioracty. It's like when Bobcat fans get excited about beating the Lakers. It's not a big deal anymore to any other team, but the Bobcats see it as a huge win.
Also, Robert Gallery is one of the biggest busts in the last 10 years of the draft. If you were a true Iowa fan you should have dropped Eric Steinbach's name, not Gallery. But even so, every school gives the NFL talent.
Last edited by Thunder Dan; 08-09-2007 at 08:39 AM.
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And another thing.
Would Iowa have beat Auburn in any year in the last 10? No. Yet Arkansas does on a regular basis. Just venting still..
Yeaaa, you know.. you're so right.. I mean Miami is the every year and stuff...
Arkansas is no better than Iowa. To my memory Arkansas had one good year since I was born (last year) and no National les that I can remember. I thought this was an argument about Iowa being elite, not a comparison to Arkansas. I'll argue the rest of my life that Iowa has a better program than Arkansas. They have a better coach, a better history, more NFL talent, they even have a Heisman, something Arkansas had their best chance of getting last year when McFadden had a line to block for him.
Plus, your program doesn't gain credibility just by beating Auburn. Go beat USC (or atleast come within 30 points this year) then talk to me about beating a significant team. Auburn is decent, but not worthy of boasting about.
You are a ing re if you think Iowa Football is better than Arkansas Football. Not in the last 10 years, not in the last 100. Period. And I'm willing to bet several folks would say the same.
Just because Iowa has had more success in the last 10 means . Like I said, put them in the SEC and they are another Kentyucky and Misstake. Put Arkansas in the Pac10 and it would have equaled more wins.
Another thing, you obviously are around 16 years old if Arkansas' only good year to you was last. Hahahah re ed.
I'm 24 so I remember most of the 90's on. Here is the difference between Iowa and Arkansas. Arkansas has to buy their top recruits by giving people jobs. Once they get into the program they try, along with others, to get out of the program to get away from that coach. Iowa on the other hand has a coach guys would love to play for, and is probably one of the top 5 coaches in college football in terms of getting guys ready for the NFL.
If they put you in the Pac 10 you would get lit up again and again. A weak USC(in relation to other years) came into your house and beat the Hogs 50-14. It was John David Booty's first game! His first game at a quarterback in NCAA football, on the road, against (what you feel) is an elite program. Your team let that rookie put 50 points on the board. Again, thats 50 points on your own turf. If you joined the Pac 10 you would probably be the 4th best team behind USC, Cal, and UCLA.
Don't be so narrow sighted with your views. It's cool you like the Razorbacks, but just becuase you like them doesnt mean they are some great program envied by others, becuase frankly it's not. Once McFadden is gone it's all down hill from there.
*note I probably would have been able to prove their mediocrity by finding the numbers, but Wikipedia only had 5 pages made on individual seasons(2006,1977,1978,1979,1980) of the 114 years of Razorback football. I guess I didn't need to explain their relevance, Wikipedia did it for me. I guess going to the Capitol One Bowl (and losing) is considered worthy of a breakdown by some adoring Hog fan.
Iowa does not suck, you are butthurt from them beating Ohio State. I'm not an Iowa fan. I'm a Penn State fan. It's irrelevant whether Gallery is a bust. Most people had him as the best offensive line prospect in the last 10 years going into that draft. He got his paycheck and cashed in... or out. He also plays in the tiest football environment possible. And yes, all teams provide the NFL with talent. Not all of them provide them with the #2 pick in the draft.
Ahhhh... loved that loss Arkansas had to Wisconsin in their bowl game.
/fist-pump
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Ohio State lost to Iowa one time in like 10 years, I don't think I'm too caught up in it. I just wouldn't consider Iowa a top program in college football becuase of having guys in the NFL.
Having guys be top picks in the NFL draft is just one example of their quality of program.
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