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And BTW, you're another er that would do well to worry about his fantasy baseball team and not arguments about decade old failed trades...
Why don't you do something to help other than pick up Scott Rolen...like cut some ing pitching.
If we'd had Brent Barry instead of Vinny in 95 we probably beat the Rockets too...there definitely would have been fewer doubles on Drob.
And I haven't ever seen Brent choke game winning FT's....have you?
but don't like Sean Elliott and Michael "we wouldn't have made it out of the first round without him" Finley
And you just took a bigger piss on Elliott than I ever have by putting him in the same sentence with Finley.
Oh...and using that logic...we probably don't make it out of the first round in 06 without Barry.
You're a pathetic because you thinking making it out of the first round is something the Spurs couldn't do without Finley. We ing added him to a championship team and became chokers. And what did he do in the Finals? Scored 3ppg in about 20 mpg.
And BTW, you're another er that would do well to worry about his fantasy baseball team and not arguments about decade old failed trades...
Why don't you do something to help other than pick up Scott Rolen...like cut some ing pitching.
fantasy baseball smack?
How intelligent.
Because he would have been on the Pistons.
whottt is posting like he's in some crack induced basketball coma.
Link?
You've lost your mind to the point that you think if the Rockets would have replaced Horry with Elliott and the Spurs would have replaced Elliott with nobody, that the Spurs would have faired better.
Be sure to tip your nurses.
Yeah, I'm sure timvp is really taking that fantasy baseball league seriously considering that everyone he drafted was from the Dominican Republic and every free agent he's picked up has been from the Dominican Republic. Even given that, timvp can't accomplish the 20th out of 20 teams that whottt accomplished two years in a row in the fantasy basketball league. In fact, timvp stays in the playoff race with both arms tied behind his back.
Perhaps you can stick to baseball where you can at least be in the middle of the pack. 20th out of 20 teams two years in a row in fantasy basketball is a good sign that perhaps you don't know as much about basketball as you think you do.
Oh and don't make me lay down an ownage that has you retire from not only the thread, but the entire forum for five days like last time.
I could swear the Spurs drafted Curley for the Pistons, so he probably wouldn't have been the Spurs' pick. Elliott would have made the Rockets better than they were with the pre-trade Horry, but not much, because Sean was not aggressive enough and got the yips in big situations. With Rodman leaving his assignment all series long, somebody probably would have hit those threes.
And why wouldn't the Pisons have traded Horry for Curley?
Elliott was a better player statistically than Horry.
Maybe they would have been happier with Horry than Sean.
That trade aws made not because of stats, but because the Pistons didn't like Elliotts at ude/health/toughness what have you.
Not only that, but why would the Spurs ever have wanted to trade for Horry at that time? If Elliott hadn't been an ex-Spur they wouldn't have traded to get him back.
What's classic is that you are the Mark Cuban of D-League One and still have the audacity to attempt to smack the teams of others...wake me when the Mr. Mavericks win something...winning 195 games and then choking in the finals isn't exactly bolstering your credibility to speak on the subject at hand in this thread.
At least the reason my team didn't win was because it sucked...what was your excuse?
Yeah but he was coming off an All Star Campaign when they traded for him IIRC....statistically he was way better than Horry. Even when he sucked that year his stats were comparable to Horry's....
Curley was a PF, they thought he was the second coming of Bill Lambeir or something...I don't see why they wouldn't have still done the trade.
If Elliott had torn it up that year they wouldn't have been trading him for Curley, I don't care how unhappy he was...yet the Rockets almost traded Horry for a sucking Elliott...
I think the Pistons would have still done the trade.
Plus...you act like Horry tolerates losing or something...a few towels in Daly's(*or whoever's) face and he'd have been on the outs as bad as Elliott was. That's why Rodman was traded to the Spurs in the first place.
Robinson got more calls than Hakeem because he had star power, and Hakeem didn't. The NBA is a stars league. Hakeem had a general lack of respect for the majority of his career until he destroyed the best centers in the game in the 94 and 95 le runs....so folks had no choice but to change their opinions on him.
And yes, Hakeem was the primary defender on D-Rob in 95. Who are you saying held him....Robert Horry? We traded away the only other reliable big for Drexler (Thorpe). Occassionaly we used old man Jones for fouls when Hakeem needed a breather.
Just STFU...if I had a dollar for stupid homer Rocket fan sticking his fat ing nose into SpursTalk posts to suck Hakeem's I'd be a rich man.
No one gives a ...about your ty suck ass team, about the toilet you call a city...or about dumb turd that is you...or about that lazy ass that tanked away half his career...and even he didn't want to finish in Choke City.
No one cares RocketFan...take that to chokecity.net...go argue with people that give a ...about your team, about Hakeem...
I've seen it all now.
First of all head, Robinson couldnt and didnt lead his team to any les. Not till Tim came around did he ride the coattails to one.
Secondly, stupid. Hakeem Owned Robinson in their 95 "mvp" showdown. NO the Rox DID not double Robinson, and no Shaq never had to have a double team to "hold down" Robinson either.
Ive been watching Ball since you were a seed in your daddy's sack. Back When Moses was a Rocket and Gervin was the second smoothest MOFO from within five feet of the hoop next to Dr J.
You use NO facts to back your asininely idiotic claims. Like in 2001's playoff. Remind me of ho many times Shaq fouled out in that series? Remind me who got swept in that series. Moron. Let me help you out.
The Rox beat up the Best team in the League that year in the Spurs. Hakeem, pretty much single handidly crushed the Spurs that series. I mean unless you think averaging 36 PPG isnt getting it done.
DRob was handed Hakeems MVP that year, and then took the anal beating in that series. Sorry, two missed freethrows from Sean didnt make that series. Unless the three other games the Rox won were flukes too. Either way, until Tim came around DRob was know for NOTHING other than putting up good numbers and never delivering a championship. Good thing Tim came around when he did.
Did you just start watching basketball?
Here's a refresher course:
-Elliott gets traded to Detroit.
-Elliott's kidney problems hurt his effectiveness but yet go undiagnosed.
-Elliott is an outcast from the team, with his main adversary being Isiah Thomas.
-Elliott is diagnosed with his kidney ailment. He keeps it a secret. Detroit media floats a rumor that Elliott has AIDS.
-Ineffective season ends. Pistons want to trade Elliott but Elliott has a no trade clause in his contract. Elliott tells the Pistons he'd either except a trade to the Spurs or the Suns.
-Suns are not interested because their doctors won't clear him. The Spurs are bidding against themselves and get Elliott for Bill Curley.
You really think the same scenario would have played out for Robert Horry? Or is this all news to you because you were a Mav Fan at the time?
Um. I won the year before in the tougher league. In two years with two teams, I have a first, second, third and a sixth.
You have a 20th out of 20 and a 20th out of 20.
Still want to compare?
And what's funny in the baseball league is you pick up Dominican's just to block me from getting them ... yet, you still aren't going to win anything.
Look at the supporting casts. Hakeem has so much talent around him the Rockets didn't know who they wanted to score.
The Spurs had a lameduck coach and the likes of Avery Johnson and Vinny Del Negro getting major minutes.
The Spurs got one of the top 5 gifted players ever and let him waste away with nothing surrounding him.
JR Reid
old TC
Willie Chill Anderson
Charles Smith
post Pacers Chuck Person
Antonie Big Puppy Carr
Brad Lohaus
Lloyd Sweet Pea Daniels
Damn anyone try to lead a team to the les with those players.
And I don't like to say it because I'm an Elliott fan but he's a little inflated because of the Memorial Day Miracle. He was ok, but nothing close to a big sidekick like Drexler, Penny, Kobe, Pippen.
Over the course of their careers I would say Robinson played with more help than Hakeem, up until 1995. Hakeem did have more help on the 95 team, mainly due to the addition of Drexler.
Elliott was a nice player. So was Rod Strickland. So was Rodman. So was Del Negro. Robinson had enough surrounding talent to have the best record in basketball in 95. The Spurs lost because Hakeem went NBA Live on him. The other players were getting open shots because Hakeem couldn't be contained.
I can also list the multiple scrubs that Hakeem played with after his original team was decimated by drugs and injuries.
First of all, I think Hakeem was the better player, so I'm not trying to use this to boost Robinson ahead of him.Over the course of their careers I would say Robinson played with more help than Hakeem, up until 1995. Hakeem did have more help on the 95 team, mainly due to the addition of Drexler.
Elliott was a nice player. So was Rod Strickland. So was Rodman. So was Del Negro. Robinson had enough surrounding talent to have the best record in basketball in 95. The Spurs lost because Hakeem went NBA Live on him. The other players were getting open shots because Hakeem couldn't be contained.
But you can't be serious about the talent around both guys. Let's look at the supporting casts, starting in the 1992-1993 season (players receiving significant minutes):
Olajuwon / Robinson (Rockets>)
Maxwell / Ellis (Spurs>)
K. Smith / A. Johnson (Rockets>)
Thorpe / Carr (Rockets>)
Horry (R) / Elliott (Spurs>)
Herrera / Reid (=)
Bullard / Daniels (Rockets>)
S. Brooks / Del Negro (Spurs>)
Unless I'm wrong (and this was based upon their performances that year, not for their careers), the Rockets cast was better in 1993. How about 1994?
Olajuwon / Robinson (=)
Thorpe / Rodman (=)
Maxwell / W. Anderson (=)
K. Smith / Del Negro (=)
Horry / Ellis (=)
Elie / N. Knight (Rockets>)
Herrera / Reid (=)
I could only compare the top seven directly - the Rockets had nine guys with 1000+ minutes, the Spurs eight; furthermore, the last two Rockets were guards (S. Brooks and Cassell (R)), while the Spurs eighth man was a forward ( mings). Considering that these two teams finished three games apart, it shouldn't surprise that each pair of player's production was very similar, albeit in different ways: Rodman was a dominant defensive player, Thorpe was a very effective player as a scorer-rebounder. Ellis was a good scorer, Horry did everything else. Maxwell scored well, Willie Anderson did everything else. Surprisingly, at least to me, Del Negro and Kenny Smith's production were very similar; while I think Smith was the better player, he wasn't decisively better that season. Herrera and Reid played more or less the same role, but Mario Elie had a better season than Negele Knight did. Maybe that accounted for the three games.
I won't dispute that Robinson had better surrounding talent in 1990 through 1992 (1992 is somewhat arguable), but (especially) in 1993 and (slightly) in 1994 the Rockets had the better cast.
Yawn...
"Back to Back les" and "Hakeem Schooled David" are soooo 1995...
Have you guys EVER thanked MJ for having a gambling problem?
I know I shouldn't quote myself, but just putting some facts behind the team dynamics of Hakeem's dominance and the Rocket's "dynasty":
1985: lost 1st round 3-2
1986: lost in NBA Finals 4-2
1987: lost in conf semis 4-2
1988: lost in first round 3-1
1989: lost in first round 3-1
1990: lost in first round 3-1
1991: lost in first round 3-0
1992: missed playoffs
1993: lost in conf semis 4-3
1994: NBA Champs 4-3
1995: NBA Champs 4-0
1996: lost in conf semis 4-0
1997: lost in conf finals 4-2
1998: lost in first round 3-2
1999: lost in first round 3-1
2000: missed playoffs
2001: missed playoffs
There are only 4 total seasons that Hakeem and the Rockets advanced past the second round, and three of those came in a four year span.
The Rockets were never relevant outside of those two le years. But they were a dynasty because they repeated, and Hakeem schooled David...
Ah yes, Houston Sports Fan Dementia.
I honestly don't know if I can give you 92/93. Our main players were Hakeem, Thorpe, Maxwell, Smith and Horry (who was a rookie). The main bench players were Herrera, Bullard and Sleepy Floyd. The Spurs had Robinson, Elliott, Ellis and Carr. Your bench wasn't all that either, but those squads look pretty even to me.
93/94 you lost Elliott but got Rodman. We picked up a rookie Cassell and Elie. I would still say those were pretty even squads. Then again, I consider Rodman to be a HOF type player if you don't consider the off the court antics.
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