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spurs should retire horry's jersey
If not for a failed physical, our history would look a LOT different right now. Perhaps no '99 or '05 les.
http://www.dailybreeze.com/sports/articles/8795012.html
Horry benefited from failed trade
A deal that fell through gave "Big Shot Rob" the confidence to hoist more 3-pointers and he's since helped the Lakers, Spurs and Rockets win seven NBA les.
By Ramona Shelburne
Staff writer
Sometimes the best trades are the ones that aren't made. That was the case for Robert Horry.
In 1994, the Houston Rockets traded Horry and Matt Bullard to the Detroit Pistons for veteran sharpshooter Sean Elliott. Horry was shocked, Bullard was angry and Elliott, well, he was about to flunk a physical because of kidney problems.
When that happened, the trade was rescinded. Everyone got back on a plane, flew home and tried to pretend it never happened.
Not Horry.
"It probably saved my career," he said. "I came back knowing that the reason they traded me was for not shooting the basketball enough.
"So once I came back, they were going to have to tell me to stop shooting."
The rest is NBA history. "Big Shot Rob" has won seven NBA les, one of only nine players in league history to do so and the only one of the nine who wasn't a member of the Boston Celtics in the 1960s.
Three of those les came with the Lakers. During that three-year championship run (2000-02), Horry made a clinching 3-pointer in four straight playoff series, beginning with the 2001 NBA Finals against Philadelphia.
Without that failed trade to Detroit, would Horry have had the guts to take the 3-pointer at the end of Game 4 of the 2002 Western Conference Finals to beat Sacramento, or the poise to drain the shot that gave the Lakers a four-point lead with 47seconds left in Game 3 of the 2001 Finals?
Without that failed trade to Detroit, would he have hit the 3-pointer at the end of overtime to give the Spurs a 96-95 victory over the Pistons in Game 6 of the 2005 NBA Finals?
Without that trade, would he have passed the ball to a Kobe Bryant or a Tim Duncan instead?
Would he have ended up as Big Shot Rob or just another Bob?
Last edited by Kindergarten Cop; 07-29-2007 at 09:58 AM.
spurs should retire horry's jersey
Elliott
And yea we should retire his jersey.
My bad.
..or maybe that trade changes Houston's chemistry and THEY don't win? Horry hit some big ing shots for them. Subtract those...and????
Horry was a different player after that non-trade.
I hate when writers don't take the time to check their facts, it was Game 5 of the Finals, not Game 6.Without that failed trade to Detroit, would he have hit the 3-pointer at the end of overtime to give the Spurs a 96-95 victory over the Pistons in Game 6 of the 2005 NBA Finals?
If this trade happened people would look back on Patrick Ewing's career very differently.
If Horry was in Detroit and Elliott was in Houston, the Spurs probably win the 95 NBA Championship.
Horry hit the game winner in game 1 of the 95 WCF(the only shot he made that game), Elliott choked the game winning FT's in game 1.
No way does the Orlando team beat the Spurs...they wouldn't have doubled Drob and would have tried to guard him with Shaq...Drob would have had Shaq spending a lot of time on the bench.
Just in case anyone wants to contest this...at that time Drob freaking owned Shaq...like 6-1 in HTH matchups...the Spurs lost to the Rockets 4-2...they lost the first game due to an Elliott choke and Horry clutch shot...Orlando got swept by the Rockets.
Uh, who would've fill Elliott's spot on the Spurs? Bill Curley?
How can you say it wouldn't have been Robert Horry?
Elliott was a much better statistical player at that point...
Get defensive all you want...but Elliott choked. He did that a lot prior to the MDM.
I know...I am a hater because I won't lie to myself.
Edit: The Spurs would not have traded Billy Curley for Robert Horry if timvp were the gm...
Since it is well do ented that, according to timvp, any player who doesn't shoot enough is a gutless pussy choking wimp.
Link? Do a forum search for author: timvp, text/subject: Barry
Drob held AJ and Sean down[/timvp]
And shouldn't you be more worried about your fantasy baseball team than decade old trades that didn't go through? Would have been nice to have a halfway decent performance from your team this week instead of that laydown job they did.
whottt on his typical tear down everyone around DRob tirades.
Ok...Elliott didn't choke in game 1 of the 95 Finals....5 year veteran, 80%+ career FT%...misses both, only needed one to stave off a loss. Not a choke whatsoever.
Without him we would have never won a le. He's the key to it all.
Last second three he hit in game 2 of a series we were leading 1-0 and eventually swept is the key to everything the Spurs have done since.
Happy now?
The real hero of the Spurs is Beno.
Without him, do we win '05 and '07?
I don't think so.
Beno for MVP.
I'm convinced the notorious "Elliot" typo is due to it being typoed that way in NBA Jam and NBA Hang Time.
And the increasing availability of the internet leading to the downfall of mankind's intelligence.
Ha Ha Ha Ha.
MWHAAAA HAAAAA.
Ok for serious now. Hakeem, who's game absolutely dominated D Rob that year, didnt end up putting Shaq on the Bench. What makes you think Drobs Traditional back to the basket, facing up from 10 would of put Shaq in foul Trouble?
I think it's a fair question - who is our small forward in 1995 if the Horry/Elliott trade in 1994 goes through?
The 1994 Spurs were Robinson, Rodman, a good shooter in Dale Ellis, and many, many holes; does adding Avery, Doc, and Person make them a WCF team? I don't think so.
Elliott choked on that FT, but I don't think we win 62 games and get to the WCF without him.
In Drob's first 7 years in the NBA he only finished lower than second in FTA one time...that was the year he missed the last 3 weeks of the regular season....he finished fourth.
By contrast...in Hakeem's entire career he only finished higher than 7th in FTA one time...5th. His best ever.
In conclusion...you're an idiot, who never saw David Robinson or Hakeem play.
You didn't even watch the 2001 playoffs when the Spurs ran the offense through Drob, for the first time in 4 years in game 3...and he still had Shaq in foul trouble by half time.
Drob was one of the best in NBA history at getting to the FT line...like on of the 3 best ever...Hakeem wasn't.
That's why teams doubled Drob more than the other guys...because if you put a single defender on him the fouls were easier to see...and it wreaked havok on your bigman rotation.
And btw...Drob averaged about 16 FT per game against the Rockets in the 94-95 WC Finals...how many did Hakeem average?
Figure that out and you'll learn 2 things...#1. There was no way Hakeem was the primary defender on DRob...
And #2. Another reason we probably win the NBA le in 95 if Horry isn't on that Rockets team.
Let's see...in 92-93 the Spurs won 49 games with Elliott and AJ.
They subtracted both of them for the 93-94 season and replaced them with absolute ing scrubs...and added Rodman.
The Spurs won 55 games...6 more after subtracting Elliott and AJ.
Now subtract David Robinson from AJ and Elliott and what do you get?
You get Tim Duncan, the worst record in team history, and the biggest negative single season turnaround in NBA history.
That's what you get.
OTOH...
Why wouldn't it be Horry? If the Pistons gave up Elliott for Curley why wouldn't they give up Horry?
Elliott was far and away a statistically superior player
Elliott choked on that FT, but I don't think we win 62 games and get to the WCF without him.
I think we do...unless of course we played Utah before getting to the WCF...
I don't know if we would have won...
I just know it would have been nice to be the team that had the guy hit a game winner with his only made shot of the game rather than the team that had an 80% career FT shooter give away game 1...
By missing 2 FT's...not 1, 2.
I like Elliott, he's a good human being and a Spur to the core, I supported his jersey for retirement....but he choked, and he wasn't anything close to clutch prior to the MDM.
Elliott was great numbers but no impact in big moments...Horry was crappy numbers but huge impact in big moments.
Horry went on to play a major role in countless other NBA Championship runs...
The only thing Elliott ever did away from the Spurs was beg to come back.
Let's not make Sean into something he's not...what he did stands on it's own merit and he deserves to have his jersery retired...he was a Spur to the core, and his story is an inspirational and courageous one, ...but he did choke in those finals...and he was seldom an impact player despite his talent and numbers.
Ok...Elliott didn't choke in game 1 of the 95 Finals....5 year veteran, 80%+ career FT%...misses both, only needed one to stave off a loss. Not a choke whatsoever.
Without him we would have never won a le. He's the key to it all.
Last second three he hit in game 2 of a series we were leading 1-0 and eventually swept is the key to everything the Spurs have done since.
Happy now?
I just don't get how you can suck the ing rotting of Brent ass Barry
but don't like Sean Elliott and Michael "we wouldn't have made it out of the first round without him" Finley
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