I didn't know whottt was running for president, lol

[whottt]

First of all, what's with misspelling my nick bro?

A typo.

Normally I wouldn't think twice about it, but you gone and done it three times, so I gather you're trying to say something.

Does manica have some hidden meaning I'm not aware of?

Second, I don't understand where you get I hate America from ANYTHING I've written. I DISAGREE with a lot of what the US does, but that isn't hate, its having a mind of my own bro.

Fair enough...but that is my mindset...call it paranoia if you want...that's ok, I'd rather be paranoid than playing to Allah.

I'm not going to just stand here and sing your praises simply because you're too ing paranoid to be open minded, and take my point of view for what it is, an opinion... not a threat, not a declaration of war, an f'n opinion.

War was declared on us on September 11th 2001...by an an enemy that pretty much no one but us and the Brits were willing to confront.

By an enemy that's first stage of warfare begins at desperation.

My comment in this thread was not a threat or a diss on the US, although I'm not surprised your paranoid sorry ass interpreted it that way. You say Americans are prepared to take the world down with them, you say Americans are prepared for anything the world can throw at them... fine, but here you are, right smack in the middle of a costly war, with a deathtoll of barely a few thousand (lets face it, nothing compared to previous wars) and already in preparation for retreat.

I am not in preparation for that...

Don't let our anti-americans that call themselves liberals fool you...they aren't the majority in this country...that's why they have to scream do loud.




You said what would happen...I said in my eyes it's already happened.


And how do you think America is going to get nuked unless a foreign government and movement is behind it?


Usama's not going to go down to the corner store to get Uranium...

And if they countries that seek our destruction choose to fight this way...then the way to win is to attack their symbles...and Islam is their symbol.

If the muslims don't want it to be that way...then they need to stop saying like well if we wouldn't support Israel from beinng wiped off the face of the planet...


If those bags want to side with wrong side just because it's muslim...then they'd best be prepared to pay the same prise.


IF our so called allies are going to lecture us on how we are just misunderstanding these s that rountinely murder women and behead civillians...

Then those people are our enemies. They aren't standing for progress.

Sounds to me, American's value peace over war, life over senseless death...

Dying for a way of life you value and believe in isn't senseless death...

And of course Americans value life over death...


We aren't the ones saying we love death like they love life...those are the guys that just about every civilized country in the world is turning a blind eye too and acting like America caused their lunacy.

How many of your countrymen do you think would be willing to strap themselves to a bomb and go blow themselves for their country? seriously?

As a first alternative? Not many...that'd be ing stupid...


As a last alternative?

Even some of the guys on this forum that hate W would be willing to do it....

Don't get me wrong, neither would any civilized person with half a brain, but here in lies my point. The US is too civilized a society to win a war against fanatism.

LMAO...


You have got to be kidding me.


No...Europe is too civlized to win.


America has always been willing to lose it's civility to win...

Ask the Japanese...who incidentally...we willing to die as a first alternatve...just like the terrorists.

There is no more genocidal people on the face of the Earth than Americans.


That's where we differ from Europe.

We are capable of the intellectual and enlightened approach...

And the same time...we will get every bit as brutal as our opponents if that's what it takes to win...


It's our history.

Its just not willing to do what it would take to eradicate it. THIS is a good thing. The US IS the moral compass of the world, without a doubt, and by the bull you've posted up there, obviously not thanks to people like you.

Being hte moral compass of the world is severely over-rated.

Secondly...we are the ones got declared war upon....by a wrong movement, that, "loves death, like we love life".


There is no backing down from that threat...that threat demands self defense.

Let me ask you something, do you honestly believe that retaliating with a nuke and killing thousands of innocent people just to get back at a few religious fanatics is the answer?

Yes...

and more importantly, I think the threat of that will do more to deter a nuclear attack on American soil than any type of Olive Branch(read, letting them eradicate Israel off the planet).



The terrorist will not get nukes unless the ME Governments allow it too happen.

What countries are producing the most terrorists?

Pakistan and Saudi Arabia...

Musharraf is in the same boat as us...


the Sauds on the other hand...will recieve this threat against Mecca exactly as it is intended...a threat against them. THat is the where hte radical idelogy was born...that is where it must die.

You think that is going to do ANYTHING other than alienate the rest of the world and envigorate terrorism?

I think if America nuked mecca the rest of the world would say publicly...how savage, you're no better than they are...


But privately..."thank god someone finally did that, even though I still resent America".


You show me anyhwhere in this world there are happy muslims....that's why I am not worried about pissing them off...

And I know there are sane ones...it's their fault that the face on Islam I see is Usama's and not theirs.


THey need to decide if they want to side with the bad guys just because they call tehmselves muslims.





You are mistaken about the lenghts Americans will go too...you can't outsavage us....we aren't the British. We're a lot more like the Arabs. Except our first choice would be to kill them without blowing ourselves up...and not sacrifice our own people for CNN fodder. In fact...I'd say that historically, when blood is on our mind...we just might be the most savage people on planet earth.


Those beheading videos the terrorists were nice enough to provide us back in 03 and 04 were what got W elected. It's not that we aren't scared...it's just that not fighting this fight now is a mistake...

They care about life less than us...that's why they will lose this war as long as we don't lose the willingness to fight it. They'll run out of people quicker.

Look at their death rates compared to ours....tell me they can beat us.

[E20]

I'm understanding what Whottt( that sounds funny) is saying, but the Islamic terrorists number in the small minority of the 2 billion Muslims. So, Nuking the most sacred site of an ideology for the sake of, let's say at the most ~2 Million terrorists would be illogical/far fetched. That would be equivalent to if 1 million Americans (a small amount of America's population) went to Pakistan and started doing crazy , then Pakistan would nuke Washington DC to crush there ideology and symbol. Wouldn't make sense.......what about the rest of the population? I can also understand that the face of Islam right now is Murder/Osama Bin Laden, but what's being televised and broadcasted? Real Islam or Osama's extremestic (is that a word?) values and beliefs? Also all the America/Western hate in the ME and the rest of the world/3rd world countries have a right, not because of freedom of expression but because in the past every country in the world except European countries and later in history the United States were frantically pursued through Imperialism, Colonialism, Manifest Destiny, whatever you want to call it. Basically it was a fight for Global domination. Sound familiar? And in that process Goverments were destroyed, nations were destroyed, civilizations were destroyed and hindered growth in what we now call ' HOLE' countries because Western powers were too power hungry to stay in there own terroritory and wanted the whole world to follow there way and while all this was happening they were successfully doing what the terrorists now-a-days are trying to do --- induce there beliefs/idealogies through warfare/fear.

[BeerIsGood!]

definitely some wild and hardcore ideas posed in this thread. I've been coming to grips more and more every day that I more than likely will see the end of civilization as we know it within my lifetime. With the plundering of natural resources increasing at an exponential pace every year, and the increasing tensions that the scarcity of resources combined with greed will impose on society... I don't see how this thing can keep going at this pace for another 50+ years without severe implosion on a global level. , I'm skeptical about another 15 to 20 years. That's a sobering thought - that in the near future all you know will be altered severely. No more internet, Spurstalk, career, 401k, IRA, debt... it may all be irrelevant.

[E20]

definitely some wild and hardcore ideas posed in this thread. I've been coming to grips more and more every day that I more than likely will see the end of civilization as we know it within my lifetime. With the plundering of natural resources increasing at an exponential pace every year, and the increasing tensions that the scarcity of resources combined with greed will impose on society... I don't see how this thing can keep going at this pace for another 50+ years without severe implosion on a global level. , I'm skeptical about another 15 to 20 years. That's a sobering thought - that in the near future all you know will be altered severely. No more internet, Spurstalk, career, 401k, IRA, debt... it may all be irrelevant.

That's the thing, the ideas imposed in this thread are in the small minority and illogical so they will never surface to anything besides idle chit chat to stir up some things. The rest of the Earth's population isn't in that crazy minority on whichever side you wanna put it and wanna just go on living life and being left alone.

[BeerIsGood!]

That's the thing, it's a double edged sword. Even if the radical extremists on either side don't things up for everyone, the sick rate of global consumption of natural resources is going to radically things up for everyone sooner rather than later. With the lobbyists and fat cats raking the dollars from resources such as oil across the globe, there is going to be one of a struggle for control once we are depleted... which at the current exponential growth in global consumption is estimated to be as soon as mid 2020's. 's going to hit the fan, and possibly very soon.

[E20]

I guess it's time then for Goverments that are capable of doing so, create or fund a Org. or someother group to find other sources of fuel and energy, if they haven't already. Also, a majority, if not ALL the consumption of natural and man made resources are being used by a small minority, so IMO it's that small minorities job to find a way if they want to continue living in such a high standard of living. If that can't happen we can just say it to all this and live like the Amish.

[sabar]

Japan didn't die as their first alternative, plus suicide is taboo in the States no matter how you do it. Also, we're going to nuke their holy sites because 0.5% of their population is radical? Okaaaaay. Like E20 said, how about Pakistan lob their 50 nukes at Washington DC if our radical population mobbed some people in "revenge" for 9/11?

Re ed thinking. Thankfully you're in the extreme minority and hold no power.

[whottt]

definitely some wild and hardcore ideas posed in this thread. I've been coming to grips more and more every day that I more than likely will see the end of civilization as we know it within my lifetime. With the plundering of natural resources increasing at an exponential pace every year, and the increasing tensions that the scarcity of resources combined with greed will impose on society... I don't see how this thing can keep going at this pace for another 50+ years without severe implosion on a global level. , I'm skeptical about another 15 to 20 years. That's a sobering thought - that in the near future all you know will be altered severely. No more internet, Spurstalk, career, 401k, IRA, debt... it may all be irrelevant.

Oh Geezus H....every one has got to whine about something....


Who gives a if we run out of natural resources?

The natural resources you are talking about we didn't even use for the majority of our existence. And they aren't essential to survival.

What a pussy...


No more oil, gas and coal means no more global warming whiners, you know, those guys that whine about all the fuel we use as they consume millions of gallons of fuel to fly to SA for a basketball game...hallelujah. I hope it happens tomorrow...I've always wanted an excuse to do more fishing. And my internet will still work....so will my TV...and I got a good DVD collection.


Imagine...the amount of pussy you get being in direct proportion to the amount of fish you can catch...as opposed to the modern method of it being in direct proportion to your ability to tolerate a suck ass tedious and boring job.


I call that an improvement


Big ing deal...

You great grandpa didn't have a 401 ing K, medical insurance or a Chevy...

Get over it...and who cares if a few million people die...


#1. We were born to die. It will happen and there is no way to stop it.

#2. There are 6 and a half billion of us...most of us are extreme dumbasses...I wouldn't exactly call us a precious resource. Nor would I qualify a mass killing of us as some horrible disaster(unless it's me and people I know, that'll suck badly)...sure I hope it isn't me...but ultimately if it is I won't be able to do about it...I'll just have to get over it like every other person who has ever died had to do.


The best thing that could happen is that we run out of natural resources tomorrow...and 401K's and insurance companies.

[whottt]

Japan didn't die as their first alternative, plus suicide is taboo in the States no matter how you do it.

You literally wish that were true when it applied to warfare.

Also, we're going to nuke their holy sites because 0.5% of their population is radical?

No...we are going to nuke their holy sites because 0.5% of their population is radical and nuked a US city...which would not have been possible without A. The support of some government somewhere and B. A mindset that a bad muslim is better than a good anything else. C. Their Holy sites just happen to be located in the countries producing the most people we hate.

Okaaaaay. Like E20 said, how about Pakistan lob their 50 nukes at Washington DC if our radical population mobbed some people in "revenge" for 9/11?

I'd say sucks to be us...we should have nuked them first, unfortuntatey we listened to you libs too much...


But see...that isn't what would happen. You know why? Because Mushrraf isn't an idiot...that is you picking an example not based in reality.

But were it too happen...

I'd then be in favor of mass extermination of anti-wars like yourself who have mass protests....Martial Law and all that you know.

Re ed thinking.

Oh go make peace with a Polar Bear...

Thankfully you're in the extreme minority and hold no power.

And thankfully...my candidate is the one that got elected...minority.

[whottt]

I guess it's time then for Goverments that are capable of doing so, create or fund a Org. or someother group to find other sources of fuel and energy, if they haven't already.

Um..why would you trust a government to do that?

Also, a majority, if not ALL the consumption of natural and man made resources are being used by a small minority, so IMO it's that small minorities job to find a way if they want to continue living in such a high standard of living. If that can't happen we can just say it to all this and live like the Amish.

What's so bad about living like the Amish? Other than their women not shaving their legs and underarms...

[whottt]

I'm understanding what Whottt( that sounds funny) is saying, but the Islamic terrorists number in the small minority of the 2 billion Muslims. So, Nuking the most sacred site of an ideology for the sake of, let's say at the most ~2 Million terrorists would be illogical/far fetched. That would be equivalent to if 1 million Americans (a small amount of America's population) went to Pakistan and started doing crazy , then Pakistan would nuke Washington DC to crush there ideology and symbol. Wouldn't make sense.......what about the rest of the population?

Ridiculous...I don't care what PCT of their population is innocent...I care about the people in charge...


I'm not willing to see one of my cities get nuked becausr they have innocent people ok...

Their guilty people are in the positions of power...Period. That's what matters.

That's who the enemy is...that's who you threaten.

Those that want to be fodder...otherwise known as Muslim versions of Sabar...picked their own fate.

People always pay the price of their government.

Not all Germans were Nazis you know...

I can also understand that the face of Islam right now is Murder/Osama Bin Laden, but what's being televised and broadcasted? Real Islam or Osama's extremestic (is that a word?) values and beliefs? Also all the America/Western hate in the ME and the rest of the world/3rd world countries have a right, not because of freedom of expression but because in the past every country in the world except European countries and later in history the United States were frantically pursued through Imperialism, Colonialism, Manifest Destiny, whatever you want to call it.

Europe did that ...and why would you exclude most of South America as well?

Those are the sons of the colonialists just like Americans.

Basically it was a fight for Global domination. Sound familiar? And in that process Goverments were destroyed, nations were destroyed, civilizations were destroyed and hindered growth in what we now call ' HOLE' countries because Western powers were too power hungry to stay in there own terroritory and wanted the whole world to follow there way and while all this was happening they were successfully doing what the terrorists now-a-days are trying to do --- induce there beliefs/idealogies through warfare/fear.

Um...I hate to tell you this...but the Middle East was conquered by the Muslims to a greater degree than the West ever did.


Islam was imposed upon the mid-east...it was conquered and forced upon them...

And it didn't just decline because of Europe....it declined because it ceased to be a progressive culture...it declined because it became technophobic, not to mention Xenophobic...as it still is.


And America isn't the one that ed over most of the coutries over there....

We didn't over Afghanistan.
We didn't over Saudi Arabia.
We didn't over Syria or Egypt or Lebanon.
We didn't over Pakistan.

We ed over Iran...but that was because did the European way...besides, that Iranian was a commie .


And most importantly...those other countries that failed to win wars there...didn't have the edge of air combat...and edge that no muslim country can match...



And 2 billion muslims?

About 1.5 of which would begin to starve the second American Aid was cutt off to them.

Another 150 million of them are dwarfed by the 900 million Hindus surrounding them...

The other 150 million are in Pakistan and can't even get Musharraf out of power.

That leaves the 200 million in Indonesia...

Spread out over 6000 thousand Islands...



My bad...I forgot about the 20 million or so in this hemisphere surrouned by the 900 million non muslims..

20 million...that's just about the numbers of guns the guys in the trailer park down the road from me own.

I fear the one crazy with the bomb that believes in an ideology the birth place we could nuke off the planet, much more than I do the other 2 billion. I fear the government that would give them that bomb...and I fear the ideology that would lead him to use it in the manner he would likely use it. And I would be 100% in favor of retaliation...I won't give a about their innocent civillians...I will give a about my own.

[smeagol]

whottt probably thinks I hate America too

[DarkReign]

Damn, I was right about the whottness, but wrong about the target.

Seeing as whott is quite vocal, the only thing to be right about is who.

Sorry, TL.

[BeerIsGood!]

Oh Geezus H....every one has got to whine about something....


Who gives a if we run out of natural resources?

The natural resources you are talking about we didn't even use for the majority of our existence. And they aren't essential to survival.

What a pussy...


No more oil, gas and coal means no more global warming whiners, you know, those guys that whine about all the fuel we use as they consume millions of gallons of fuel to fly to SA for a basketball game...hallelujah. I hope it happens tomorrow...I've always wanted an excuse to do more fishing. And my internet will still work....so will my TV...and I got a good DVD collection.


Imagine...the amount of pussy you get being in direct proportion to the amount of fish you can catch...as opposed to the modern method of it being in direct proportion to your ability to tolerate a suck ass tedious and boring job.


I call that an improvement


Big ing deal...

You great grandpa didn't have a 401 ing K, medical insurance or a Chevy...

Get over it...and who cares if a few million people die...


#1. We were born to die. It will happen and there is no way to stop it.

#2. There are 6 and a half billion of us...most of us are extreme dumbasses...I wouldn't exactly call us a precious resource. Nor would I qualify a mass killing of us as some horrible disaster(unless it's me and people I know, that'll suck badly)...sure I hope it isn't me...but ultimately if it is I won't be able to do about it...I'll just have to get over it like every other person who has ever died had to do.


The best thing that could happen is that we run out of natural resources tomorrow...and 401K's and insurance companies.

I'll give you credit, you can write some entertaining bull . It's always fun to be around a bull artist for the sheer entertainment factor, but one thing I've learned is that their tough words quickly evaportate into cries when the comes to fruition.

OTOH, you didn't really comprehend what I was saying. We'll never get the opportunity to fish or live off the land 1700's style in the world you're talking about. The world has progressed and become spoiled by a standard of living brought on by technological advances that consume large amounts of resources. You think when those resources near depletion that every person, every industrialized government is going to just throw their arms in the air and say " it! I guess we're living Amish-style from now on"? no, there's going to be a mad scramble for power and control of the few remaining resources left in a short sighted attempt to hold on to what we all have. That scramble for control is not going to be carried out with poker games, it's going to be carried out with war. Those who have are going to have to try in vain to fend off those who are resource starved from an all out assault.

Now, the result will be mass death and extreme changes to the lives and society of everyone who survives any significant amount of time past the onset of this struggle. That's another area you misunderstood me. I'm not crying about what's going to happen in a vain attempt to hold on to my Ipods and automobiles, but instead saying that this is a real problem and a real issue that we may have to confront. It creates an interesting problem... because if this does come to fruition within the next 30 to 40 years does it make much sense to "plan for the future" and continue on as a corporate drone working toward retirement? Or would it be more sensible to live for today, live for now and sell out the future to do what I love and live more carefree? The only problem with that is if by some miracle these inept governments do find a way to utilize renewable energy resources to maintain our standard of living... I'd be ed at retirement age (if I make it there) with no money to fall back on and no one willing to give me a job. It's an interesting problem, what do you do?



I love how Whottt soiled his pants in fear of the big, bad Lebron James and the Cavs (Cavs in 5!!!), but the threat of global destruction is but a mere nuisance.

[E20]

Ridiculous...I don't care what PCT of their population is innocent...I care about the people in charge...


I'm not willing to see one of my cities get nuked becausr they have innocent people ok...

Their guilty people are in the positions of power...Period. That's what matters.

That's who the enemy is...that's who you threaten.

Those that want to be fodder...otherwise known as Muslim versions of Sabar...picked their own fate.

People always pay the price of their government.
Not all Germans were Nazis you know...

The problem with most people right now is they can't see any other perspective besides their own. There is no substantial evidence that the US is in fear of getting nuked. But bombed/ariplaned? Yes, but if you believe the nuke part, then it puts you in the conspiracy theory/paranoid group. The only evidence we have is that Saddam went to go buy Yellowcake in Africa and that Iran is enriching Uranium. Another thing I thought this was the war on TERROR, not the war on how to NUKE MECCA. I mean we're dealing with an enemy who has no country or flag, they're dispersed throughout the world and they're coming in at a slow rate to Iraq and Afghanistan because US troops are stationed there. Also, why are we threatning to Nuke Mecca or even sanctioning Iran? By your logic we should be threatning the country that produces the most terrorists, that's Pakistan so instead of sanction Iran and Nuke Mecca talks, talk about sanctioning Pakistan/Nuking Pakistan it would make more sense and follow logic.

About the goverments,
Who implented those regimes/goverments? Not the people, that's for sure, all ME governments were dummy/foreign induced at one point. I mean also if you wanna threaten the leaders, nuking Mecca wouldn't make any sense, because the Saudi Royal family are the US's personal doormats. If you're gonna threaten ME countries threaten the following:
Pakistan
Iran
Syria
Lebanon
Yemen


The reason a lot of anti-western sentiment comes from those areas is because the fact that imperialists left lots of countries for dead after taking natural resources and their land. Whottt, countries just can't go and invade other countries and expect the other country to say: Oh okay, that's alright, we still love you, no hard feelings. No, once you invade that country implent your own system then leave and let the people in power you positioned start to abuse there power, the first thing the inhabitants of that state are gonna look at who ed them over first and that is whoever came in the 1st place and that's where most of the hate goes to once the pre-installed goverment gets overthrown, because they have no one to blame for their ty lives except the people who came first and overthrew them.

So yes, you are right people do pay the price for their own goverment and most of Europe and the US is paying the price right now for putting those goverments in with all the western hate going on around.

Europe did that ...and why would you exclude most of South America as well?

Those are the sons of the colonialists just like Americans.






Um...I hate to tell you this...but the Middle East was conquered by the Muslims to a greater degree than the West ever did.


Islam was imposed upon the mid-east...it was conquered and forced upon them...

And it didn't just decline because of Europe....it declined because it ceased to be a progressive culture...it declined because it became technophobic, not to mention Xenophobic...as it still is.


And America isn't the one that ed over most of the coutries over there....

We didn't over Afghanistan.
We didn't over Saudi Arabia.
We didn't over Syria or Egypt or Lebanon.
We didn't over Pakistan.

We ed over Iran...but that was because did the European way...besides, that Iranian was a commie .


And most importantly...those other countries that failed to win wars there...didn't have the edge of air combat...and edge that no muslim country can match...



And 2 billion muslims?

About 1.5 of which would begin to starve the second American Aid was cutt off to them.

Another 150 million of them are dwarfed by the 900 million Hindus surrounding them...

The other 150 million are in Pakistan and can't even get Musharraf out of power.

That leaves the 200 million in Indonesia...

Spread out over 6000 thousand Islands...



My bad...I forgot about the 20 million or so in this hemisphere surrouned by the 900 million non muslims..

20 million...that's just about the numbers of guns the guys in the trailer park down the road from me own.

I fear the one crazy with the bomb that believes in an ideology the birth place we could nuke off the planet, much more than I do the other 2 billion. I fear the government that would give them that bomb...and I fear the ideology that would lead him to use it in the manner he would likely use it. And I would be 100% in favor of retaliation...I won't give a about their innocent civillians...I will give a about my own.

I never singled out America as the only one. I said Ameica/Western Civliazation, which includes: GB, France, Germany, Russia and all that other good . ALso, I've never learned that South America was into Imperiliasim, I've never heard them taking over countires, if you can give me some instances, I'd be interested.

The Muslims that conquered the ME did that over a 1000 years ago and were pretty lenient in those times, but that has no revelance because that was well over 1000 years ago and hasn't produced in lingering problems that affect the world today.

I'll give you that ME countries haven't advance, but maybe because the mess they were left in. I mean they don't have the time to sit around and say: Okay let's go make an Ipod or let's make a cell phone, they're thinking: So how am I not going to get bombed today. Why are they like that? Because of Imperialism.....goverments were overthrown, goverments installed, those governments overthrown, what resulted was a power vacuum for a prick like Saddam to get power or endless wars between tribes/factions. Take Afghanistan for example, in the 60-70's they were wearing jeans/skirts, listening to 8 tracks, had movie theaters, but then the Soviets came in with that same imperialistic idealology - Our way is better than your way and now they got bombed back to the stone age.

I don't really get your population stats. Are they supposed to mean anything? I mean you expect a population to re-form their own goverment when they have no way to do that? I mean that isn't easy. Dicators being overthrown dont' happen to often. Saddam, Stalin, Musharraf, whoever, they rule with an iron fist and if you expect them to be overthrown is illogical. Also, STOP sending them aid and let them die if you don't like them so much, write a letter to your congressmen. At on instance they're dropping food/aid and right in the next they're getting bombed the out of. Illogical.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

I'd vote for whottt for county commissioner at the very least.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

All this talk about dying for what you believe, nuking mecca, etc...

so how many tours have you done in Iraq whottt?

[BeerIsGood!]

I'd vote for whottt for county commissioner at the very least.

If Tarrant County ever attacks Dallas County, I'll know who's at the helm.