What people?
Sunnis?
Shiites?
Kurds?
So what will they do when the inevitable draw down begins next spring?Consider this. Those people are scared. Every time they hear the USA may pull out, those who may stand up and fight will continue to hide. Those in real danger are the ones who do stand up. They are more than willing to stand up when they see hope. Take that hope away, and they will do the best they can to stay safe.
Nah, the Sunnis will be rounded up in the Shiite areas and vice-versa if they haven't already left.What is their biggest fear? That our leftist pundits will win the war of propaganda. If we pull out prematurely, every Iraqi that supported freedom will be rounded up and executed.
Yeah, that thinking really motivated us to act in in Rwanda and Darfur, didn't it? If you're going to wear the white hat, you got to wear it all the time.You get that you lefties … Your ilk could become responsible for the execution of millions!
Not according to the Noted Viet Nam veteran
John Kerry, who you remember was wounded four or five
times on his three or four month tour in Viet Nam.
According to him nothing like that occurred just some of
the people were sent to re-education centers and some of
those are doing very well now. Of course he doesn't like
our re-education centers in Cuba or elsewhere. And you
know John Kerry wouldn't lie, now would he?
Oh that right. Japan had an insurgency made up of religious zealots ready to kill us and each other. I forgot.
I'm sure the emperor staying in place and asking his people to "bear the unbearable" had no effect either. Where is that kind of leadership from Maliki?
I'm not sure if you were calling me a leftie... if so then I'd like to know where that is coming from.
My brother served in Iraq for several years. I'm quite aware what it is really like over there from my conversations with him. He is very against how it is portrayed in the media and gets very upset with the talk of activists who only believe stories that fit the viewpoint they already have. While there he never felt like the Iraqis didn't want him or other soldiers around.
My viewpoint has nothing to do with saying we should crawl out and abandon our efforts. I'm just saying that democracy will not be taken in as quickly or embraced as much by those who have it handed to them. Our own country is proof of that. The amount of political apathy we have nowadays is (in my opinion) a direct result in the fact that we are so comfortable with our way of life that we take our democracy for granted. Our voter turnout should be evident of that.
The execution of millions is on George W. Bush's head, and everyone that voted for him.
His incompetence has cost innumerable American and Iraqi lives.
His over stretching of the military will cost us even more American lives the next time a terrorist attacks.
We need more posters like Jamtas. Good call.
Yep, like I said, you lefties...
Both these incident that lead to genocide had us in play with those governments while Clinton was Commander in Chief. We went in, and left.
As I recall, we didn't really have much to do with Rwanda, but in Darfur, president Clinton totally failed in our attempts.
Battle of Mogadishu (1993):
Need I say more?The Battle of Mogadishu led to a profound shift in American foreign policy, as the Clinton administration became increasingly reluctant to use military intervention in Third World conflicts (such as the massacre of an estimated 800,000 to 1,071,000 ethnic Tutsis and moderate Hutus by Hutu militia groups in Rwanda in 1994), and affected America's actions in the Balkans during the later half of the 1990s. President Clinton preferred to use the "air power alone" tactic and hesitated to use U.S. ground troops in fighting the Bosnian Serb Army in Bosnia and Herzegovina in 1995 and the Yugoslav Army in the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia (specifically, the province of Kosovo) in 1999, out of fear of losing American soldiers in combat, as well as fear of repeating what happened in Mogadishu in 1993.
Darfur started in 2003 and is still going on, dip .but in Darfur, president Clinton totally failed in our attempts.
Battle of Mogadishu (1993):
Nothing like a blatant lie to bolster your "nonpartisan" argument, you sack of .
Either that or you are too stupid to find it on a map.
Need I say more?
Yes, you need to say more you neocon hack. Always falling back on clinton is a sure sign of defeatism. We don't blame reagan for pulling out of lebenon. You see, he was the last of intelligence representing the republican party. I guess now you'd blame carter for that?
Last edited by ChumpDumper; 08-22-2007 at 07:36 PM.
WC's schtick is getting really old. He tries to come off as a non partisan libertarian, but all he does is defend the neocons. At least ray doesn't try to mask his opinions as unbiased.
Quoted for posterity. I'm sure he's going to edit it.
I doubt it. He knows who to blame for mistakes.
Clinton made him think Darfur is in Ethiopia!
And he made me think Mogadishu is in Ethiopia too!
Damn him!
Last edited by ChumpDumper; 08-22-2007 at 07:41 PM.
He says we like to bash Bush! He makes stuff up just to bash Clinton
The hypocrisy is unreal
Is this the kind of guy we want farming our antennas?
I wasn't calling you a lefty, but expanding on my agreement with you.
Now that was ing hilarious. Have you seen that dumbass picture he posted? He's certainly proud of that place. How many rolls of tin foil does it take to get reception on one of those farms?
Yea right. I'm happy with what I said, unless I made a spelling error or mistatement. Re-reading it, I have no plans to change it. Why would you think so? The only time I have made major changes to a posting was immediately after posting a major mistake. Not after time went by without explaining in the comments what the change was.
Thanks.
You made my day, dumbass.
This goes some way to explain why you think no "major mistakes" were made in Iraq.
I mean Azerbaijan.
You mean Bulgaria.
Ha Ha... So I made a mistake.
Glad I could amuse you all. Bask in your glory, I don't make very many like that.
I never really followed the Darfur incident. I heard horrors about it and other places, but didn't take time for it as we have not really been involved these last several years. Time for me to brush up on geography.
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