So when is this stupid war in Iraq ending?

[exstatic]

Am I imagining things? Haven't the nations we stayed in without bailing out turned out OK?

Occupied German.

Occupied Japan.

Occupied South Korea.

Did they revert back?

Look what happened to S. Viet Nam when the democrats pulled the funding then. And we were winning! Damn traitors!

The first three? We're still there. If we're still in Iraq in 60 years, count the US dead at about 200K. As for Vietnam, they're doing JUST FINE as an independent, non US satellite country.

[DarkReign]

Am I imagining things? Haven't the nations we stayed in without bailing out turned out OK?

Occupied German.

Occupied Japan.

Occupied South Korea.

Did they revert back?

Look what happened to S. Viet Nam when the democrats pulled the funding then. And we were winning! Damn traitors!

So, youre comparing Iraqi occupation to the occupation of conquered nations of WW2?!

I wasnt aware the people we are fighting in Iraq belong to one flag under one government that if defeated, would sign a surrender.

Please, you cant equate "insurgents" to a standing military. Japan declared war on us. We declared war on Iraq, won handily, and are still fighting with its citizens.

There wasnt an insurgency in Japan, Germany or South Korea. And BTW, we were never at war with S.Korea or S.Vietnam. Raise your la ude a bit and see what happened.

[smeagol]

Well, since it seems all Argies are experts in U.S. foreign policy

So only Americans are allowed to opine on US foreign policy?

I guess only Americans can opine on what happened in 9/11 too (or so I have been told by Mookie and his pals).

why don't you tell us when it is going to end?

I hope it ends soon because it is not helping the Iraquis and it is certainly not helping the US.

[Extra Stout]

Am I imagining things? Haven't the nations we stayed in without bailing out turned out OK?

Occupied German.

Occupied Japan.

Occupied South Korea.

Did they revert back?

Look what happened to S. Viet Nam when the democrats pulled the funding then. And we were winning! Damn traitors!

Great! So all we need to do is transform Iraq into one of the world's five largest economic and military powers, like Germany and Japan were at the onset of WW2, so that they will have the cultural capital to bounce back from the setbacks of war!

Or, we could transform the Iraqis into a well-educated, highly-motivated work force with the capability for rapid industrialization like South Korea! How simple! Why, if it weren't for the Democrats, we'd be buying Iraqi-made cell phones and HDTV's right now, and Iraqi Motors would be building a new plant in Arkansas!

And just think -- had we stuck it out in Vietnam, maybe today they might have the second-fastest growing economy in Asia, rapid industrialization, a booming export market, and WTO membership! (Oh, wait, all that happened anyway.)

It's good to see you have such a deep understanding of global issues just like President Bush does, and don't put forth silly and facile arguments!

[xrayzebra]

T As for Vietnam, they're doing JUST FINE as an independent, non US satellite country.

You mean those that are still living and weren't
re-educated? And living on starvation wages.

[WHOTTABITCH]

Great! So all we need to do is transform Iraq into one of the world's five largest economic and military powers, like Germany and Japan were at the onset of WW2, so that they will have the cultural capital to bounce back from the setbacks of war!

Or, we could transform the Iraqis into a well-educated, highly-motivated work force with the capability for rapid industrialization like South Korea! How simple! Why, if it weren't for the Democrats, we'd be buying Iraqi-made cell phones and HDTV's right now, and Iraqi Motors would be building a new plant in Arkansas!

And just think -- had we stuck it out in Vietnam, maybe today they might have the second-fastest growing economy in Asia, rapid industrialization, a booming export market, and WTO membership! (Oh, wait, all that happened anyway.)

It's good to see you have such a deep understanding of global issues just like President Bush does, and don't put forth silly and facile arguments!

Yeah i'm sure that's what he meant. Try honesty for once. We get it, you're the smart know it all conservative with wit and sarcasm. You should be a teen idol in here, but you don't get the respect from the xray's and yoni's.

[Holt's Cat]

That presupposes that Yonivore and xraywhatever are "conservatives". I've seen no evidence to that effect.

[WHOTTABITCH]

That presupposes that Yonivore and xraywhatever are "conservatives". I've seen no evidence to that effect.

according to Nbadan and boutchtons they are.


Conservative, is not a concrete definition anyway. You'd have to be a sensitive uber and snooty little to be a isolationist, free trade hating, conservative, completely ignoring that times have changed. If you want to get technical, reagan wasn't the conservative goldwater was.


But who cares, i don't see any of you promoting the flat tax, or the privatization of school systems.

[Holt's Cat]

Ron Paul wants to eliminate the IRS and the Department of Education. Does that count?

[WHOTTABITCH]

Ron Paul wants to eliminate the IRS and the Department of Education. Does that count?

Yeah it does. Seriously.

It won't happen though. He's just Forbes, with an anti war statement.

He knows he can say anything he wants becuase his anti war statements will counterbalance his uberconservative oppinions.

Once he's in office, and he starts making some real change, Mooks, the Vic s, Liberals, and all the faux supporters will be there to latch on the first scandal the media fabricates.

But I thought you already knew this.

[Holt's Cat]

If Ron Paul made it into office I don't think that would be much of a concern. Though it's not really a concern today, as it were.

[WHOTTABITCH]

If Ron Paul made it into office I don't think that would be much of a concern. Though it's not really a concern today, as it were.

he'd have 15% approval rating once he makes a move for federal judges, cuts war spending, and welfare, IRS etc.

his liberal supporters will probably vote for hillary anyway.

[Extra Stout]

Yeah i'm sure that's what he meant. Try honesty for once. We get it, you're the smart know it all conservative with wit and sarcasm. You should be a teen idol in here, but you don't get the respect from the xray's and yoni's.

What the is a conservative these days, anyway?

[WHOTTABITCH]

What the is a conservative these days, anyway?

there's too many, let's just stick to arguing to the merits. Eisenhower was a conservative, and he according to libs deployed troops for police action in Nam to help the french. Kennedy escalated it.

[Extra Stout]

there's too many, let's just stick to arguing to the merits. Eisenhower was a conservative, and he according to libs deployed troops for police action in Nam to help the french. Kennedy escalated it.

Yes, and then the second-most-liberal President in U.S. history escalated it further, which then caused the Democrats to nominate Leonid Brezhnev in 1968.

[Holt's Cat]

What the is a conservative these days, anyway?

I guess it's someone who speaks with a twang or a drawl and references God a lot.

[WHOTTABITCH]

I guess it's someone who speaks with a twang or a drawl and references God a lot.

That was bill clinton in his arkansas days, as well as Al gore in his speech to the Naacp in 2000.

Maybe it's someone who wears a cowboy hat and calls himself kinky, or someone who es about the military. CUz that's so eisenhower, and Reagan there.

[Holt's Cat]

Maybe it's someone who truly understands the meaning of the phrase...



"Hug it out, ."

[WHOTTABITCH]

True conservatives are felines and post pictures on the internets. I guess i'll go search a reference book on this one.

[Holt's Cat]

It's must be someone who takes whottt's mental droppings seriously.

[WHOTTABITCH]

It's must be someone who takes whottt's mental droppings seriously.

nah, just someone whose Holt's pussy and posseses the power to communicate with humans.

Butt about the Whottness,
i don't take his mental droppings seriously. He's just a , and it's fun to post under this screenname. Whott has a sense of humor anyway.

[L.I.T]

Am I imagining things? Haven't the nations we stayed in without bailing out turned out OK?

Occupied German.

Occupied Japan.

Occupied South Korea.

Did they revert back?

Look what happened to S. Viet Nam when the democrats pulled the funding then. And we were winning! Damn traitors!

The Philippines, 'nuff said.

[Wild Cobra]

The Philippines, 'nuff said.

Are you agreeing or disagreeing? We kicked the Japanese out in 1945, have had bases there (do we still?) Anyway, they've had their own government since 1946. Sure, some pretty shacky times, but they are doing pretty good right now.

[L.I.T]

Are you agreeing or disagreeing? We kicked the Japanese out in 1945, have had bases there (do we still?) Anyway, they've had their own government since 1946. Sure, some pretty shacky times, but they are doing pretty good right now.

1898 bought the Philippines from Spain (while it was in a state of revolution against Spain).

First put the nation under control by bombing the capital. Put an entire region to the gun in retaliation for Filipinos killing soldiers.

Used the Philippines as the centerpiece for the US policy of bringing democracy to the rest of the world.

Officially left in 1946, unofficially have been involved in the country. Supported the Marcos dictatorship because they were "scared of Communism". Have supported both the Erap and Arroyo regimes as allies against the war on terrorism.

Bases were removed in 1992.

The Philippines is ranked as one of the most corrupt nations in the world, in no small part to the ineffective political system that was put in place and supported by the United States. Economically, the country may be doing relatively well at the moment, but Arroyo presidency is one the most corrupt in a long a series of corrupt presidents. , they make Marcos look good at times.

So, in essence: disagree. The Philippines is a mess because the US tried to lever a style of democracy that would not work in the country with the ethnic makeup of the Philippines.

I like your term "shacky".

[ChumpDumper]

Actually, we kicked the Spanish out of the Philippines in 1898 and then spent three years killing several thousand Filipinos to keep them from becoming an independent state. There was a low level guerrilla war that lasted twelve years after that. So he could be agreeing or disagreeing.