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Add Houston to the list as well
When are Spurs fans going to understand that last season your team got lucky with Dallas playing a mismatch and Pheonix getting robbed?
When are you going to understand that your team isn't invincible and to the contrary are very, very beatable?
When are you going to learn not to underestimate your opponent?
When are you going to understand that your team is getting older by the minute?
When are you going to understand that either Dallas and Phoenix are probably better than your team and can beat you any time any day if playing fair and square?
Add Houston to the list as well
when are you going to stop talking smack
your team sucks and has won nothing
If this trade goes down you must play Marion at the 3....for defensive purposes. This would move Walton to the bench....which will shore up the bench, which is what I like.
Fisher/Farmar/Critt
Kobe/Mo evans/Sasha
Marion/Walton
Kwame/Radman/Turiaf
Mihm/Bynum
That's my team....now getting rid of Kwame would be awesome....but beggers can't be choosers.
Odom is often not motivated because he feels like Kobe gets all the glory and all the touches. With Nash, he would get lots of looks, can pound the offensive glass and can possibly handle the ball when Nash is on the bench.
Those are all the positives - he could also start smoking a ton of pot again and be worthless.
If they make this trade it is further proof that Phx will simply try and run and gun to a le without concern for defense.
The theory: If 110 PPG gets you the best record in the league, then surely averaging 125 will win you a championship
Agreed. Marion at the 3 is the only option.
I'm not with the Marion wants 20 million a year talk. I haven't seen that confirmed anywhere. He's only stated over and over, its about the trade talk every year that concerns him. Phoenix has already made it clear that he is not in their future plans, so why would he want to stay there? He's closing in on the final year of his contract. Teams and players always want to renegoiate their contracts at this time, so he's not being unreasonable with his request. I believe it is just a means to request a trade. The suns said long time ago that they wanted to rid themselves of his contract. He is whinning, but he's telling the truth! He is unappreciated in Phoenix. No one likes for the credit to be given to others when they are just as much responsible for the success of that team. I wouldn't want others taking credit for something I was a big part of either.
The trade is a good one for both teams but better for the Lakers. Marion at the 3 would give the Lakers an excellent defense on the perimeter. Can you imagine Fisher/Kobe/Marion/Turiaf/ and either center on the court at the same time. The defense would be intense. Like I said, I like Odom and would hate to see him go but he is injury prone. I hate to say it but most LA fans I know all expect for that continue. Why shouldn't we, it always does!
Sign it off, Dr. Buss before they change their minds!
I disagree that Marion is underappreciated in Phoenix. He's the highest paid player by like $4 mil., because the Suns have great respect for his skillset. His name comes up in trade talk often, but he's never actually been traded. Plus, D'Antoni loves the guy.
Maybe so but he seems to feel that way.
Also, I see alot of fans saying he's not worth this or that, but Marion is worth 14 million a year, easy imo. The lakers may overpay in the beginning, but he is definitely worth Odom and Cooks contract. , I'd give Cook away for a 3rd round draft pick in 2010.
What about if Phoenix gets Kwame Brown (9 mil exp) + fillers instead of Odom? Doesn't it makes more sense for them? They'll get a big man that can guard Duncan plus cap relief next year.
When the Suns brought in Kerr, I thought they might be preparing to blow up this team and start over. Considering the amount of money that Phoenix has tied up in guys they won't even play, a deal like this makes some sense. I would also want L.A. to take at least one of these bad contracts off of my hands, were I part of the Suns' F.O.
The problem is that Brown is a liability. A team would be doing this for monetary reasons alone. I wouldn't be shocked if "Cake" wasn't even in the league in two years. (With his height, I kind of doubt it, but it wouldn't surprise me.)
Not to rag on the guy, nor to garner sympathy for him, but Brown appears to have some issues. Seriously, if half of the stories out of Washington are true, then Brown must be developmentally disabled or environmentally re ed in some way. I recall one story in which a Wizards' teammate went to Brown's apartment or condominium and discovered that an entire room was full of wadded-up suits and designer clothes, worn once. Apparently, Brown did not know what to do with garments labelled "dry clean only" and had been too embarassed to ask someone. Like I said, I'm not trying to ridicule the guy*, just point out that you would want to do some major checking up on this situation.
* Although I believe that people need to take responsibility for their own education and enrichment as a human being, some people never really have a chance. If these stories are true, or even mostly true, a lot of adults really did this kid a disservice over the years.
Yeah, but he makes $16 million this year, $17 million next year, and expects to be extended for $20+ million per after that. He's the 12th highest paid player in the league now, and the third best player on his own team. That is a dysfunctional salary situation.
If we can rid of Kwame and Cook plus a pick for Marion, then I'd be all for that...hands down.
Fisher
Kobe
Marion
Odom
Bynum
But this won't happen...but yeah, Kwame plays decent D on Duncan...but can't catch so he would at least drop 3-4 passes from Nash per game.
I don't believe he would expect that from the Lakers. He can more than make up what he loses in Salary with endorsements in LA. Even if he did say he wanted 20 million, (which has not been confirmed) the lakers would still be in basicly the same situation if they kept Odom and cook. 20 million would be out the question and the lakers would free up salary by not resigning him.
How much money could Marion really expect to make in endorsements? More or less than Lamar Odom? Is he going to all of a sudden be some huge national celebrity? Shawn Marion is not Gary Payton or Karl Malone trying to gravy train a ring at the end of their careers. He's going to want an extension and he's going to want it at more than his current salary. Why do you think he's saying all those great things about the Lakers organization while bashing the Suns front office? He may not get that kind of cash on the free agent market, but he's sure as going to try to get as much money as he can on what will likely be the last big contract of his career. I agree though that the Lakers would be better off not extending him and going for the cap space. It would make sense for someone like LeBron (or Shaq back in the day) to go to LA to maximize their endorsement power, but I don't think that's true for a guy like Shawn Marion.
And why are you discussing Cook in this conversation? The two salaries are close enough that Cook doesn't have to be in the deal. Surely the Suns would want to save and additional $10 million in salary by not taking Cook.
i love this stupid in mismatch bs about the mavs & the warriors. when it comes down to it the warriors were just that, warriors, and the mavs did what they do best, choke, so don't come in here acting as if it's some fluke that the mavs lost to the 8th seed. in reality the mavs just flat out suck! if the mavs were anything they were hyped up to be they would had won that 7-game series but they are just that, hype. as for phx getting robbed, well you can't blame the spurs because phx has some dumbasses who can't follow the rules even though they get paid millions to play the game and you would had thought they would had read the freaking rule book by now. them both!
i don't remember anyone saying the SPURS are invincible. you're a dumbass. if we were invincible there would be no need for the league itself considering we would have won the finals every yr since our induction into the nba.
what? you make no sense at all. the SPURS don't have to underestimate their opponents especially when it's the cavs. 4-0. when's the media gonna understand they don't have to overestimate the talent on your ty squad?
really? yeah some of them, but if i'm not mistaken don't we have a bunch of 20+ yr olds on our team now? we even have a 20+ yr old finals mvp & all-star on our team. we have a another 20+ yr old all-star on our team.
plus it's such a cliche to call the SPURS old, but guess what? all these old farts kicked your teams ass in the finals straight 4 times, so where's your defense for that? oh wait defense.... i forgot cavs don't know how to play defense.
i love how you put this word in your question... "probably"! , so you agree they "can't" always beat us? yeah i agree they might win one here or there but does it really matter? no. and why? because we come off on top at the end of the day and end up making babies of both those teams mentioned. you gotta bring your "A" game not just your talking.
one last thing FastDunk... you don't care for the SPURS, you come here just to piss every SPURS fan off, you talk mad , and you add nothing of substance to any of the posts here on SpursTalk.com, so maybe you should go find a cavs forum instead and chat it up with your own kind. LOSERS!
Now wouldn't it be crazy if this went down.....Lakers vs Suns Christmas day game is a lot more interesting....
I have a feeling that if Marion gets traded to LA, both Amare and Marion are gonna go off on Christmas. 30-15 games for both.
Sure he would have bigger endorsements in LA. He is an all star afterall. I'm not saying that he would be a big celebrity or anything like that, but the fact is endorsements and appearances are big business in LA and NY. He woud definitely benefit monetarily playing in LA.
Cook was mentioned in earlier trade rumors. It would make sense to send him to Phoenix as well so the salaries will match perfectly. Part of it is wishful thinking as well. If the Suns do not want Cook, so be it!
where is dumb_suns_fans take?
Lakers if this be true Odoms and Cooks for Marion
PG Fisher/Farmar/Crittendon
SG Bryant/Evans/Vujacic
SF Marion/Walton
PF Kwame/Radman/Turiaf
C Bynum/Mihm
Then look me like Laker just need better backs up point guard and they have good chance be top team.
They needs much is better back up play maker though to Fisher. Or maybe Fisher move bench get better starts point guard.
Will Phoenix be still in playoff?
Ever since the news broke, he's been crying, balled up in a fetal position and repeating over and over again "THIS IS NOT HAPPENING. JACK MCCALLUM WROTE A BOOK ABOUT HOW WE'RE CHANGING THE NBA. THIS IS NOT HAPPENING. I WANT TO SMELL SHAWN MARION'S FARTS. THIS IS NOT HAPPENING..."
He's cheering himself up by rereading his favorite passages off 7 seconds or less and masturbating feverishly. He's got two copies, one to read, one to soil.
with that kind of lineup, i don't think that la would survive another playoff meeting with phoenix.
the only way to win phoenix is to slow them down. you won't be able to that with that kind of lineup. phoenix would just blow past them in a heartbeat. that's why the spurs almost always wins over phoenix. slow phoenix down and you expose their weaknesses. but allow them leeway to make their fast plays and you'd end up losing.
sure, la would have marion, but what would he do once he's been left behind? would a front court consisting of kwame/turiaf bynum/mihm be able to stop penetrations?
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the next issue i'd like to address is the gs-dallas matchup. from just two matchups (gs-dallas, dallas-miami) everybody has labeled the mavs as chokers.
in my opinion, yes, dirk did sort-of disappear on his team. from frustration, or lack of balls, or for whatever reason we will never comprehend, he did just that. but let's analyze the matchup instead of focusing on just one player.
gs-dallas (06-07)
there have been many things said about this matchup. even we, the spurs, got caught off-guard with this team (i remember that loss in the regular season....and the ass-whipping we unleashed the next time we met them). the warriors are truly a unique team.
at the pg, we have baron davis. a strong pg who can muscle his way in. could harris stop this guy? could terry? i don't even think dirk could stop him getting in. so we have diop/dampier or even howard to guard him.
at the 2 guard, they have monta ellis. a talented young guard who i think is going to be quite a problem this season. they also have pietrus, another good player. both would run their opponents down.
at the 3, we have stephen jackson and jason richardson. these two guys cannot be stopped with just stackhouse. josh howard, maybe?
at the 4, we have al harrington. this is nellie's gem of a player. put him on dirk, and dirk would have nightmares. a very athletic 4 (although undersized), he could seriously bother dirk at the outside.
and at center we have biedrins. or zarko, even. both would be good enough to play against dampier or diop.
so where does dallas have a chance?
dallas - miami (05-06)
shaq and wade.
dirk.
another matchup mismatch. dallas isn't capable of taking on a shaq and wade combo. detroit, yes. spurs, yes. but not dallas.
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