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did not say he is on his way down, but he is no better than he was last year and not much better than the year before...he has plateaued though.
And yes Stevie has plateaued also.
Ohhh ok.
So Steve Francis has already peaked, and is on his way down.
Interesting......
hes peaked out at age 23??
Another bombs .
did not say he is on his way down, but he is no better than he was last year and not much better than the year before...he has plateaued though.
And yes Stevie has plateaued also.
Who says you peak by 4-5 seasons?
Jordan didn't win his first le until he was 7 years in the NBA.
Garnett didn't win his MVP until he was 8 years in the NBA.
Tony's 22, been in the league for 3 and a half seasons.
And he's supposed have hit his "peak" already?
Man, you sure are a dumb dumb.
Parker is 59-for-118 from the field since Nov. 27. ... The Spurs have only been outscored four times in the paint this season. They held a 36-26 edge on Wednesday. ... Hedo Turkoglu was playing in his first game against the Spurs since signing as a free agent with Orlando in the offseason. Turkoglu had seven points in 24 minutes.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/recap?gid=2004121524
That's what people told me two years ago when I questioned his shooting ability. Parker may improve slightly but I don't ever expect him to get much better than what he is now. According to the Parker fanatics, he has been on the verge of "breaking out" for the last two seasons now. I'm still waiting.
so at 22, hes supposed to just start taking over right.
cant wait till 25.
Un in real.
With the amount of experience he has in Europe and the NBA, Yes, he should be able to take over by now. Stop using the age excuse. That aint cuttin it anymore. Time to take off the rose collored glasses. He has all the experience he needs.
Last edited by IceColdBrewski; 12-16-2004 at 10:33 PM.
With his low salary for the next 4 yrs, it would have to be a very good offer to entice the FO to make a deal.Teams will want Beno in trades before his 4-year contract is up, and Beno will want to start.
Neither were any better in their 8th year, they were more well know, they had better teams, that is all. TD today is not better than he was in 01 or 02 and he will not be any better than he is now....that is my point.
TP is as good as he is gong to get, in fact he will drop off a lot sooner than a lot of players because what sets him apart from the rest is his speed, and that is the first thing to go. He has a so so shooting stroke, he is HORRIBLE at the FT line, something that is soooo rare for a PG, because PGs are suposed to be decent FT shooters, and usually are. He is an average, at best PG in the NBA, one that is very fortunate to be playing with great teammates. Put him on a team like New Orleans and you will see a huge difference betw him and a healthy Baron Davis.
Put a Steve Nash on the Spurs and he would have 13 assists and shoot 56% a game.
BTW Tpark, stop sucking the little Frenchman's .
haha, sure buddy.
And your fellatio on Steve Francis is ok right.
Ithink some of you should stop to focus on the stat sheet! the improvement Parker has done can not be seen on it. First he earned the team respect. To be a good point guard you need it badly and his teamates step up to support him (duncan for the new contract) they did not do it before (see jason kidd) so if his teamates give him credits I will.
Then, Even tony admitted he had some players he always had problem to defend like marbury. This year he just destroyed him going 18 points and 9 ass when marbury was 13 p and 7 ass for only 4 fg out of 12. He matured enough to bit his worst ennemies. I think it is a long way to go but this kind of sign do not lie.
Moreover if you cut the begining of the season where gino was on fire, TP has step up and increase his ussual numbers, shooting well and distributing nicely.
Last but not least, if i had only one point to make it is D!!!!!!!!!!!!! Parker is playing amazing defense since the beginning of the season. he is shutting down nearly every other point gard or at least slowing them more than usual. his work out is paying. Just like bowen you might want to look at his opposition stats to understand how good he is or how much he improved.
PS :stop insulting each other for a while and bring some interesting stuff to the table.
I love to debate but do we need to be this bad can't we be more civilized ?
It always gets to be player A > player B. They're both good and amazing pick-ups at the 28th spot. They have completely different styles and can attack different types of defenses effectively. As Beno gets stronger he and Parker will undoubtedly spend time on the floor together and as Bowen and Barry, if he ever shows up, get older they'll be phased out and likely Manu, Parker, Beno, maybe Devin will spend time at 1 - 3.
Parker can take over a game and hopefully will do it more consistently. Beno is steady and steadies the ship. Fire and ice. Maybe one day one will get traded but for sure for more than the average 28 pick. It's all good.
Parker is not a pure shooter, that's his only problem. He leads the league in broken ankles but that's not a stat that you ing tools can see on ESPN.com.
So shut the up.
Last edited by SequSpur; 12-16-2004 at 08:57 PM.
Speed Kills. And Tony has it, and he is quick and he can handle the ball. Tony's weakness as far as I'm concerned is not his inconsistent shooting, but rather his inconsistent decision making. And in this he has shown great improvement, and he will continue to grow in his physical and mental game. Beno is just a great find, the kid is fearless, like Tony, but his mentality is strictly that of a pg, and I think Beno is a better shooter although not as good a penetrator and ball handler. What the I like them both, and right now I don't think Beno is prepared to take Tony's job, but maybe next year, if Tony point guard mentality doens't improve.
I have always believed that the pg has to be the best or 2nd best player on the team and I don't mean as a scorer but as the guy who gets everyone involved in the offense, and kick starts it when guys are off their game or when the team is struggling. The pg has to control the tempo of the game, making sure that the tempo is the one his team plays best in. Tony still needs to work on that, knowing when to score, when to run, when to go to TD, when to find the weaknesses or mismatches, a coach on the court.
To put it bluntly, I think Parker is an idiot when it comes to being a pure PG. He just can't seem to read a defense. That isn't something you can teach. You either have it or you don't. You have to be able to anticipate where the open man is going to be while going full speed. Parker rarely shows this ability. Beno has already shown that he has it.
The difference in the offense is obvious to me when Parker is in the game. The offense is slow, trudging, methodical. When Beno is in the game however, don't close your eyes for a second. You might miss that split-the-defenders pass that leads to an easy layup.
Don't know about you fellas. But I'd rather have a guy that can read the floor quickly. Guys like Manu and Beno for example. These kind of payers give your team an edge. See the 4th quarter comeback against Orlando for proof.
Your act is tired. Go on to something else. You hate Parker ... we get it.
You hate me. We get it. I don't care. Go on to something else.Your act is tired. Go on to something else. You hate Parker ... we get it.
You do your part and I'll do my part.
Deal.
I will agree to no part at all.
I have my opinions. That's what message boards are for. You're more than welcome to put me on your ignore list. Otherwise, I suggest you learn to get used to it.
That's what I thought. You have one topic.
One trick.
Yep. That's all I'm good for. Even on the Football forum. Guess you'll just have to put me on your ignore list.
Run along now timmy. I'm growing tired of your obsession with me.
Broken ankles don't win games Seq.
When will people realize that Parker IS NOT a true PG? The next time you find somebody in the organization to say Parker is supposed to be a true PG, please let me know.
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