Hussain Obama...

[Yonivore]

Here's how you show respect to the National Anthem and the brave men who died for our country.

You be still and keep your god damned mouth shut. Why isn't that enough?

Because better men than any of us have established a tradition and have lobbied their Congress to enact a law that proscribes how you should show respect for the flag during the playing of our national anthem.

Why isn't that enough for you or Hussein?

[Spurminator]

He's not military personnel yet, and as COC it would be his right to revise the "proper honors" if he saw fit.

[Spurminator]

Because better men than any of us have established a tradition and have lobbied their Congress to enact a law that proscribes how you should show respect for the flag during the playing of our national anthem.

Why isn't that enough for you or Hussein?

Federal dictates on behavior in front of National symbols. You sound very Libertarian.

[FromWayDowntown]

David Robinson never put his hand over his heart during the national anthems played before basketball games; neither does Gregg Popovich.

I can see the distinction, but I don't think a refusal to put a hand over one's heart creates any sort of presumption concerning one's patriotism. I'd hate to think that we're more concerned with devotion to symbolic gestures than substantive proof of one's patriotism.

[Wild Cobra]

David Robinson never put his hand over his heart during the national anthems played before basketball games; neither does Gregg Popovich.

I can see the distinction, but I don't think a refusal to put a hand over one's heart creates any sort of presumption concerning one's patriotism. I'd hate to think that we're more concerned with devotion to symbolic gestures than substantive proof of one's patriotism.

Again, it doesn't matter to me how most people treat such a thing. Anyone applying for the job of Commander in Chief MUST render the honors, period!

[FromWayDowntown]

Again, it doesn't matter to me how most people treat such a thing. Anyone applying for the job of Commander in Chief MUST render the honors, period!

But why? I realize that your unlikely to vote for Obama anyway, but consider a candidate whose policy choices were more to your liking but who had also been captured on film with his hands by his side while, presumably, the National Anthem was played or the Pledge of Allegiance said.

Is symbolism REALLY more important than the policy choice?

If it was your favored candidate, would that photograph really make you change your vote?

[Wild Cobra]

But why? I realize that your unlikely to vote for Obama anyway, but consider a candidate whose policy choices were more to your liking but who had also been captured on film with his hands by his side while, presumably, the National Anthem was played or the Pledge of Allegiance said.

Is symbolism REALLY more important than the policy choice?

If it was your favored candidate, would that photograph really make you change your vote?

You just don't ignore some traditions. They eyes of the world see such things. What is it interpreted as?

Yes, if he was my favorite, he no longer would be.

I would be a Ron Paul supporter if he had a different outlook on the Iraq situation. I agree with everything I heard him say but two things. His statements about his actions should he be president regarding Iraq is a complete deal breaker with me.

[clambake]

You just don't ignore some traditions. They eyes of the world see such things. What is it interpreted as?

i guess it has escaped your attention what the world thinks about the US.

but i do understand your growing anxiety.

do you think these useless attacks will help? the gop has nothing to offer anymore. i can smell the panic.

[Wild Cobra]

i guess it has escaped your attention what the world thinks about the US.

but i do understand your growing anxiety.

do you think these useless attacks will help? the gop has nothing to offer anymore. i can smell the panic.

I cannot believe so many people ar defending such a thing. I only listed two of many reasons. I'm not going to make a list. If you are OK with a president disrespecting American tradition, then I just don't know what to say. I wouldn't expect him to do differently as president as he does as a candidate.

My God. Hillary is know for hating the military, but she rendered the respects to the flag.

The leader of the free world must respect the basic traditions and symbols of the free world.

[clambake]

so, our guy goes into Iraq for clearly bogus, fabricated, deliberately misleading reasons.......kinda like saddam went into kuwait...... and as long as he salutes the flag it's all good?

i think he should salute every flag he's given out. he owes america about 4000 salutes.

[Mr. Peabody]

Because it demonstrates a lack of regard for the laws of this country.

36 U.S.C. § 301(b)(1) states, in pertinent part, "During a rendition of the national anthem when the flag is displayed, all present except those in uniform should stand at attention facing the flag with the right hand over the heart."

Subsection (b)(2) provides: "When the flag is not displayed, those present should face toward the music and act in the same manner they would if the flag were displayed there.

According to the website usflag.org, 36 U.S.C. § 171 contained the same provisions.

I recognize the act of putting your hand over your heart is not compulsory, under the law, but I think a sincere respect for the law -- something we should all want in a president -- would dictate that Obama either do so or explain why he refuses.

He's also quit wearing the traditional American flag pin on his lapel. Something about protesting the Iraq war.

If he's consciously not paying proper respect to the flag during the anthem, I have a problem with it. Many men have died to keep that flag flying over this greatest nation in the history of the world.

It doesn't appear that he has a problem with putting his hand over his heart because he has been photographed doing so in the past. I would guess he just didn't think of it.

[clambake]

It doesn't appear that he has a problem with putting his hand over his heart because he has been photographed doing so in the past. I would guess he just didn't think of it.

"he's a part-time commie" will be the response from your statement.

can't you just smell the fear?

[George Gervin's Afro]

i enjoy republicans establishing what is patriotic or respectful and then attacking dems for it..


hey if he promises not to get us into unecesary wars i will vote for him.

[PixelPusher]

Symbolism over substance thread.

[Yonivore]

It doesn't appear that he has a problem with putting his hand over his heart because he has been photographed doing so in the past. I would guess he just didn't think of it.

That may well be.

[ChumpDumper]

This is dumber and more disingenuous than the 9/11 conspiracy threads.

[TLWisfoine]

Ooops!!! Impeach him!!!

[RandomGuy]

Now I have in the past refused to make fun of senator Obama's middle name. I have defended him against those who point out any Islamic characteristics of him. Now I must wonder. I can accept his reasons for not wearing the lapel pin of the flag, but he has gone too far. He refuses to render the proper respect of our flag during the National Anthem, and he wants to be president?

ah yes, a picture out of context, like that means anything other than someone decided to forward it.

(shrugs)



That is a fun game.

[RandomGuy]

Ooops!!! Impeach him!!!

Hey man, he really goes from the gut.

Or maybe he is one of our reptilian overlords and that is really where his heart is. (reference: a partictularly wierd bit of UFO lore about aliens)

[Spurminator]

But he's got such a big heart, his hand is still technically over it.

[JoeChalupa]

I think this is a simple case of someone not putting their hand over their heart during the National Anthem.

I agree. , go to any sporting event and you'll see hundreds, if not thousands who do not put their hand over their heart let alone keep their damn mouths shut for a few minutes.

[RandomGuy]

I agree. , go to any sporting event and you'll see hundreds, if not thousands who do not put their hand over their heart let alone keep their damn mouths shut for a few minutes.

How do you know the nation anthem was playing at the moment the picture was taken?

I must have missed the accompanying sound clip. I am sure Cobra in his rush to be intellectually honest posted somewhere, but I just didn't see it right?

(shrugs)

How do you know that he didn't put his hand over his heart when the music started 2 seconds later?

Hard to tell from just one cherry-picked picture, isn't it?

[JoeChalupa]

How do you know the nation anthem was playing at the moment the picture was taken?

I must have missed the accompanying sound clip. I am sure Cobra in his rush to be intellectually honest posted somewhere, but I just didn't see it right?

(shrugs)

How do you know that he didn't put his hand over his heart when the music started 2 seconds later?

Hard to tell from just one cherry-picked picture, isn't it?

True. My point is that I see many, many others who do not even stop talking or eating nachos during the National Anthem.

[JoeChalupa]

Oh, and I'm a Obama supporter.

[Spurminator]

How do you know the nation anthem was playing at the moment the picture was taken?

I must have missed the accompanying sound clip. I am sure Cobra in his rush to be intellectually honest posted somewhere, but I just didn't see it right?

(shrugs)

How do you know that he didn't put his hand over his heart when the music started 2 seconds later?

Hard to tell from just one cherry-picked picture, isn't it?

There's a video on this site.

http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Obama_...eart_1022.html