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    Now I have in the past refused to make fun of senator Obama's middle name. I have defended him against those who point out any Islamic characteristics of him. Now I must wonder. I can accept his reasons for not wearing the lapel pin of the flag, but he has gone too far. He refuses to render the proper respect of our flag during the National Anthem, and he wants to be president?


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    What's so bad about having an Islamic characteristic?

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    What's so bad about having an Islamic characteristic?
    Obviously one of them is being a dumbass. Or hating
    The U.S. I think it may be a little of both for him.

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    I think this is a simple case of someone not putting their hand over their heart during the National Anthem.

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    What's so bad about having an Islamic characteristic?
    There are some who use his heratage against him. I wasn't one of them. My point is that even though I disagree with his politics, I was defending that aspect.

    I made this posting because it seems he is defying our flag. I now wonder if he does have the heart of an American or not.

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    Obviously one of them is being a dumbass. Or hating
    The U.S. I think it may be a little of both for him.
    So having an Islamic characteristic makes you a dumbass and have hate for the US.................LMAO

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    he's touching his penis!

    omgsz!

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    I've attended HS sporting events and many times people don't put there hand over their heart during the anthem. I don't see it as being disrespectful.

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    he's touching his penis!

    omgsz!
    About all he could touch down there. He doesn't have
    any balls.

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    I've attended HS sporting events and many times people don't put there hand over their heart during the anthem. I don't see it as being disrespectful.
    How many of them are Presidential candidates running for the highest office in the land over which that flag flies?

    For my part, I'd be interested to know if this is a conscious act on his part or if Obama just forgot this time. Or, even more innocently, was the victim of opportunistic photography where, the other three beat him up to their chest at the beginning of the anthem.

    So, WC, is it a pattern?

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    I've attended HS sporting events and many times people don't put there hand over their heart during the anthem. I don't see it as being disrespectful.
    For a presidential candidate not to render such honors to the flag is just wrong on so many levels. I can let the ignorance of regular people slide.

    I understand this is not the first time...

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    Yoni has a point, but I'm not voting for Obama so I don't really care what he does.

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    nice photoshop, WC

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    For a presidential candidate not to render such honors to the flag is just wrong on so many levels.
    Why?

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    You're joking, right?

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    You're joking, right?
    I don't think so...

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    So, WC, is it a pattern?
    I don't know if it is for sure. If what I heard is correct, then yes. But I won't state that as absolute.

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    I don't know if it is for sure. If what I heard is correct, then yes. But I won't state that as absolute.
    Maybe someone will ask him about it.

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    I'm not joking. I'm truly curious about why you're this concerned about a Presidential candidate declining to follow a 65-years-old symbolic tradition.

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    I'm not joking. I'm truly curious about why you're this concerned about a Presidential candidate declining to follow a 65-years-old symbolic tradition.
    Because it demonstrates a lack of regard for the laws of this country.

    36 U.S.C. § 301(b)(1) states, in pertinent part, "During a rendition of the national anthem when the flag is displayed, all present except those in uniform should stand at attention facing the flag with the right hand over the heart."

    Subsection (b)(2) provides: "When the flag is not displayed, those present should face toward the music and act in the same manner they would if the flag were displayed there.

    According to the website usflag.org, 36 U.S.C. § 171 contained the same provisions.

    I recognize the act of putting your hand over your heart is not compulsory, under the law, but I think a sincere respect for the law -- something we should all want in a president -- would dictate that Obama either do so or explain why he refuses.

    He's also quit wearing the traditional American flag pin on his lapel. Something about protesting the Iraq war.

    If he's consciously not paying proper respect to the flag during the anthem, I have a problem with it. Many men have died to keep that flag flying over this greatest nation in the history of the world.

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    I'm not joking. I'm truly curious about why you're this concerned about a Presidential candidate declining to follow a 65-years-old symbolic tradition.
    I don't even know where to start explaining such a thing that shouldn't have to be explained, so I won't. Do me a favor. Move to another country.

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    Because it demonstrates a lack of regard for the laws of this country.

    36 U.S.C. § 301(b)(1) states, in pertinent part, "During a rendition of the national anthem when the flag is displayed, all present except those in uniform should stand at attention facing the flag with the right hand over the heart."

    Subsection (b)(2) provides: "When the flag is not displayed, those present should face toward the music and act in the same manner they would if the flag were displayed there.

    According to the website usflag.org, 36 U.S.C. § 171 contained the same provisions.

    I recognize the act of putting your hand over your heart is not compulsory, under the law, but I think a sincere respect for the law -- something we should all want in a president -- would dictate that Obama either do so or explain why he refuses.
    That "law" was a symbolic and meaningless Congressional act created to differentiate ourselves from Nazi Germany.

    I would like to think we have moved past the point where symbolic gestures are indicators of one's Patriotism. But I guess when partisan opportunism arises...


    He's also quit wearing the traditional American flag pin on his lapel. Something about protesting the Iraq war.
    No, it was about symbolic patriotism.


    Many men have died to keep that flag flying over this greatest nation in the history of the world.

    They died for a flag????

    You sir, are greatly undermining what our brave soldiers have died for.

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    I don't even know where to start explaining such a thing that shouldn't have to be explained, so I won't. Do me a favor. Move to another country.

    You can't explain it.

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    Here's how you show respect to the National Anthem and the brave men who died for our country.

    You be still and keep your god damned mouth shut. Why isn't that enough?

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    You can't explain it.
    I'll give you one of several reasons.

    The president is the Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces. In the military, it is expected to "Lead by Example." If this is intentional contempt to render the proper honors to the flag, he has no right being the president. All military personnel are expected to render the honors.

    My God man. He's running for president. Isn't that enough?

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