Ron Paul Reality Check

[Yonivore]

It's possible Ron Paul has hit a bit of a snag in his campaign...

The Ron Paul Campaign and its Neo-Nazi Supporters

[Galileo]

It's possible Ron Paul has hit a bit of a snag in his campaign...

The Ron Paul Campaign and its Neo-Nazi Supporters

The Neo-Nazis will be upset when they find this out:

Press Releases › Ron Paul is Highest-Polling Republican Among Black Voters
October 24, 2007 10:12 am EST

ARLINGTON, VIRGINIA--Public opinion service Rasmussen Reports recently released data indicating that Texas congressman Ron Paul is the top Republican presidential candidate among African-American voters.

1200 individuals were polled and asked if they preferred Ron Paul to Democratic presidential candidates Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton. 33 percent of Black voters chose Congressman Paul over Senator Clinton and 31 percent over Senator Obama. Rasmussen Reports polled voters on their preference for the other GOP contenders over Clinton and Obama, and all polled lower than Congressman Paul. John McCain was preferred over Clinton and Obama by 24 and 16 percent, and Mitt Romney by 20 and 27 percent, respectively. Rudy Giuliani was only preferred to Clinton by 15 percent, and to Obama by 17 percent.

Congressman Paul’s support among African-Americans is much higher than what Republicans have received in recent presidential elections. CNN’s 2004 presidential election exit polls show that Democrat John Kerry was preferred over George Bush by 88 percent.

The RealClearPolitics Insider Advantage Poll from early October also indicated that Dr. Paul was the leading Republican candidate among Black voters in key primary state, New Hampshire.

“Dr. Paul is the candidate who brings Americans together,” said Paul campaign manager Lew Moore. “His unifying message of freedom, peace, and prosperity is drawing supporters of all backgrounds back into the Republican party.”

Rasmussen Reports conducted preference polls for Ron Paul between October 12 and 14. Preference polls for Rudy Giuliani were conducted October 8 through 9 and 15 through 16, and for Mitt Romney and John McCain between October 10 and 11 and 17 through 18.

http://www.ronpaul2008.com/press-rel...-black-voters/

[Yonivore]

The Neo-Nazis will be upset when they find this out:

Press Releases › Ron Paul is Highest-Polling Republican Among Black Voters
October 24, 2007 10:12 am EST

ARLINGTON, VIRGINIA--Public opinion service Rasmussen Reports recently released data indicating that Texas congressman Ron Paul is the top Republican presidential candidate among African-American voters.

1200 individuals were polled and asked if they preferred Ron Paul to Democratic presidential candidates Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton. 33 percent of Black voters chose Congressman Paul over Senator Clinton and 31 percent over Senator Obama. Rasmussen Reports polled voters on their preference for the other GOP contenders over Clinton and Obama, and all polled lower than Congressman Paul. John McCain was preferred over Clinton and Obama by 24 and 16 percent, and Mitt Romney by 20 and 27 percent, respectively. Rudy Giuliani was only preferred to Clinton by 15 percent, and to Obama by 17 percent.

Congressman Paul’s support among African-Americans is much higher than what Republicans have received in recent presidential elections. CNN’s 2004 presidential election exit polls show that Democrat John Kerry was preferred over George Bush by 88 percent.

The RealClearPolitics Insider Advantage Poll from early October also indicated that Dr. Paul was the leading Republican candidate among Black voters in key primary state, New Hampshire.

“Dr. Paul is the candidate who brings Americans together,” said Paul campaign manager Lew Moore. “His unifying message of freedom, peace, and prosperity is drawing supporters of all backgrounds back into the Republican party.”

Rasmussen Reports conducted preference polls for Ron Paul between October 12 and 14. Preference polls for Rudy Giuliani were conducted October 8 through 9 and 15 through 16, and for Mitt Romney and John McCain between October 10 and 11 and 17 through 18.

http://www.ronpaul2008.com/press-rel...-black-voters/

I'm thinking it's more likely the black voters will abandon him when they discover his ties to skinheads, Nazis, and the KKK.

[Holt's Cat]

"His ties"? Racists supported GWB. Does that make him one?

[Holt's Cat]

I guess Paul is something more than a "fringe" candidate if his opponents are already trotting out the race card. All the more amusing that it's fellow "conservatives" who aren't ostensibly into such things.

[xrayzebra]

You know HC and all the rest of you. It is damn shame that we
have to listen to all these blowhards start a Presidential campaign
two damn years before we vote. You can blame this crap on
the Clinton's and MSM. Bill Clinton campaigned his whole eight
years in office. The sad thing is that we may really have a voter
burn out before this all over.

[Yonivore]

"His ties"? Racists supported GWB. Does that make him one?

Granted, you can't always help who supports you; there's always that crazy uncle in the attic but, Ron Paul has written columns that have been featured for several years in the American Free Press - a publication of the nation's leading Holocaust Denier and anti-Semitic agitator, Willis Carto. His book club even recommends works that glorify the Nazi SS, and glowingly describe the "comforts and amenities" provided for inmates of Auschwitz.

That's a little more proactive than just being supported by a distasteful group or person...he's actually interacting with them.

Now, what racists supported President Bush with his knowledge, acceptance, and agreement?

[Yonivore]

You know HC and all the rest of you. It is damn shame that we
have to listen to all these blowhards start a Presidential campaign
two damn years before we vote. You can blame this crap on
the Clinton's and MSM. Bill Clinton campaigned his whole eight
years in office. The sad thing is that we may really have a voter
burn out before this all over.

I kind of hope we do Xray. Maybe then, only those that are passionate about the election will be at the polls.

Here's to voter burnout before MTV decides to do another "bring out the vote" stupidity.

[Yonivore]

I guess Paul is something more than a "fringe" candidate if his opponents are already trotting out the race card. All the more amusing that it's fellow "conservatives" who aren't ostensibly into such things.

No, he's still a fringe candidate but, it's not him the opposition is worried about as much as the few voters he'll dupe into pulling the switch for him on election day.

In an era of 50.1% to 49.9% elections, the .1% he gets on election day could be valuable.

[Holt's Cat]

No, he's still a fringe candidate but, it's not him the opposition is worried about as much as the few voters he'll dupe into pulling the switch for him on election day.

In an era of 50.1% to 49.9% elections, the .1% he gets on election day could be valuable.

Right. Politics isn't actually about ideas or policies.

[Holt's Cat]

Granted, you can't always help who supports you; there's always that crazy uncle in the attic but, Ron Paul has written columns that have been featured for several years in the American Free Press - a publication of the nation's leading Holocaust Denier and anti-Semitic agitator, Willis Carto. His book club even recommends works that glorify the Nazi SS, and glowingly describe the "comforts and amenities" provided for inmates of Auschwitz.

That's a little more proactive than just being supported by a distasteful group or person...he's actually interacting with them.

Now, what racists supported President Bush with his knowledge, acceptance, and agreement?

The ones whose support GWB failed to recant.

[Yonivore]

The ones whose support GWB failed to recant.

Okay Captain Cryptic, are you saying President Bush failed to distance himself or the racists failed to stop being racists?

And, then, tell us all who you're talking about.

And, finally, how does that defend Ron Paul's association with such groups and people?

[xrayzebra]

The ones whose support GWB failed to recant.

I don't apologize for supporting Bush. I still do. He has
been a good President compared to the ones we have had
since Reagan. But those like President Reagan are far
and few in between.

[Holt's Cat]

Okay Captain Cryptic, are you saying President Bush failed to distance himself or the racists failed to stop being racists?

And, then, tell us all who you're talking about.

And, finally, how does that defend Ron Paul's association with such groups and people?

Cryptic? Bush had racist supporters.

[Yonivore]

Right. Politics isn't actually about ideas or policies.

I disagree. It is all about ideas. Unfortunately those ideas have, over time, been distilled down to two general ideals and, therefore, two principal parties:

Republicans -- generally identified as Conservative.

Democrats -- generally identified as Liberals.

Those two iden ies carry alot of ideology with which most voters can identify. And, most voters can accept the majority of a candidates ideas so long as they agree with the voter on substantive issues.

Independents, Libertarians, and Ron Paul, Ralph Nader, and Ross Perot type Republicans and Democrats can only spoil elections by drawing voters from the other two camps. The question is from which camp are they going to draw the most voters?

[Yonivore]

Cryptic? Bush had racist supporters.

Who are they?

[Holt's Cat]

You don't know?

[Yonivore]

You don't know?

No, I don't. Enlighten me. Are you stalling while you google or something?

[Yonivore]

You don't know?

Well?

[Holt's Cat]

I disagree. It is all about ideas. Unfortunately those ideas have, over time, been distilled down to two general ideals and, therefore, two principal parties:

Republicans -- generally identified as Conservative.

Democrats -- generally identified as Liberals.

Those two iden ies carry alot of ideology with which most voters can identify. And, most voters can accept the majority of a candidates ideas so long as they agree with the voter on substantive issues.

Independents, Libertarians, and Ron Paul, Ralph Nader, and Ross Perot type Republicans and Democrats can only spoil elections by drawing voters from the other two camps. The question is from which camp are they going to draw the most voters?

So now it's "generally conservative" to preside over the largest increase in the size and scope of the federal government in a generation. Yeah.

American politics is now exclusively about personalities without any regard or accountability for the policies they actually advocate and implement.

[Holt's Cat]

Well?

Hey, you're the resident know-it-all. I'm surprised you're stumped.

[BradLohaus]

Bush's grandfather did business with the original Nazi's.

[Yonivore]

Hey, you're the resident know-it-all. I'm surprised you're stumped.

Not hard to stump someone when you expect them to know something that isn't.

Hey, you brought it up. The article I posted names names and organizations that support Ron Paul financial and ideologically from which he's either refused or failed to distance himself.

You say President Bush was supported by racists. I allow that may be true, we can't control who supports us; but, when I ask you to provide the proof, you play games. or get off the pot.

[Yonivore]

Bush's grandfather did business with the original Nazi's.

And? What's your point. You can pick you friend and you can pick your nose but, you can't pick your family.

I'm asking Holt's Cat who the racists were that supported George W. Bush for president from whom he neither repudiated or distanced himself.

Robert Byrd was a former Kleagle in the Ku Klux Klan. I'm betting he supports the next Democratic nominee.

[BradLohaus]

How about Strom Thurmond?

And? What's your point. You can pick you friend and you can pick your nose but, you can't pick your family.

The Bushes are a shady bunch, Yoni. One worlders who will do anything for a buck.