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    Ron Paul Reality Check

    http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/cgi-b...7/11/02/p20743

    As self-professed champion of the Cons ution, presidential candidate Ron Paul has missed a monumental opportunity to educate Americans about the criminal behavior of Congress in violating their oath of office. Even more important, he has not taken advantage of his 15 minutes of fame to promote the nation’s first-time use of what the Founders gave us in the Cons ution in case the public lost confidence in the federal government - the Article V convention option.

    Paul clearly recognizes the many failures of the federal government. Maybe as a member of Congress he just does not have the courage to confess that he too has been part of a long-standing refusal by Congress to obey Article V of the Cons ution. Why don’t passionate Paul supporters see his lack of integrity, guts and consistency?

    Support for using the Article V convention option should be a litmus test for any presidential candidate, which is reasonable considering that Abraham Lincoln and Franklin Roosevelt supported it.

    First, let’s be clear that Paul has no problem in seeing the need for cons utional amendments. For example, he has been a proponent of an amendment that would not allow children born in the USA from illegal parents to become citizens. Second, he has maintained throughout his career his love and respect for our Cons ution. Third, he has carefully refused to publicly state his views on the provision in Article V of the Cons ution for the use of a convention of state delegates to make proposed amendments as the alternative to Congress proposing amendments (the only procedure used for 220 years). Fourth, he has made no attempt to pass any law that would modify, clarify or expand the single requirement now in Article V for a convention. How can a champion of the Cons ution remain so silent on Congress’s refusal to honor over 500 applications from all 50 states for a convention that more than satisfies the one and only requirement in Article V?

    Anyone who studies the history of attempts to get the first Article V convention will learn that it has consistently been opposed by people and groups on the political left and right that are part of the nation’s elitist political status quo establishment. So here is Ron Paul, supposedly an honest non-elitist political maverick that does not fit into the political establishment, yet too cowardly to stand up to the political establishment by backing the use of the Article V convention option. Paul has had virtually no real impact on what Congress has done, yet he does not support the convention option that would cir vent the power of Congress. What does he have to lose?

    Of course, if all the passionate supporters of Paul would spend more time investigating all his congressional activities, they would find a lot more to seriously question. A chief example is that he has routinely inserted earmarks for pork spending to make cons uents in his district happy. Then he hides behind his votes against the spending bills containing his earmark spending items. But those earmarks remain in those spending bills passed by Congress. Tell me, is that really virtuous behavior? His earmarks increase federal activities and spending. Many have been for projects by the Army Corps of Engineers, many to funnel money to the Texas Department of Transportation (including one for repairs to the Galveston Trolley system), and one for Texas A&M University/Galveston Campus to convert the Texas Clipper for educational purposes; maybe this was the $30 million for the Texas Maritime Academy to refurbish a ship. And then there was the $8 million for the marketing of wild American shrimp and $2.3 million to pay for research into shrimp fishing. This seems like pretty conventional Republican politics. This year Paul has requested about $400 million worth of federal spending for his district – not exactly consistent with Paul’s rhetoric on reducing federal spending and taxing. His duty is to inform his cons uents about the wrongness of earmarks, not capitulate to their requests.

    There is still time for Paul to search his soul and find the courage to either to support use of the Article V convention as the route to achieving deep political reforms that Congress itself will never have the integrity to propose through cons utional amendments, or to step up and make the case for an amendment that would remove the never-used Article V convention option.

    Here is some irony. With our thoroughly corrupt and rigged political system Ron Paul has absolutely zero chance of becoming the Republican presidential nominee, regardless of his high level of grassroots support. Odd then that Paul has not supported the one and only route to profoundly changing this awful political system. It is the method our Founders gave us with the Article V convention option. Indeed, his lack of support for using the Article V convention option seems to makes him a part of the political establishment, which is consistent with his recent announcement that if he does not get the Republican nomination he will not run as a third party candidate.

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    Ron Paul in Three Major Films

    Here are excerpts of Ron Paul in three major films that have been spending a lot of time in the Google Video Top 100:

    Ron Paul In ENDGAME

    [from: Endgame - Blueprint for Global Enslavement by Alex Jones]

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...arch&plindex=1

    Why I'm voting for Ron Paul

    [from: America - From Freedom to Fascism by Aaron Russo]

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...arch&plindex=0

    Ron Paul on Federal Reserve, banking and economy

    [from: Fiat Empire - Why the Federal Reserve Violates the U.S. Cons ution]

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...arch&plindex=0

    It should be noted that these films are getting thousands of downloads each day, and millions per year. No small bookseller can get their message out like you can on Google Video.

    It should be noted that there are very few political films in the Google Video Top 100, so these films are reaching a demographic that is mostly out of reach of the MSM.

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    Ron Paul Reality Check

    http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/cgi-b...7/11/02/p20743

    As self-professed champion of the Cons ution, presidential candidate Ron Paul has missed a monumental opportunity to educate Americans about the criminal behavior of Congress in violating their oath of office. Even more important, he has not taken advantage of his 15 minutes of fame to promote the nation’s first-time use of what the Founders gave us in the Cons ution in case the public lost confidence in the federal government - the Article V convention option.

    Paul clearly recognizes the many failures of the federal government. Maybe as a member of Congress he just does not have the courage to confess that he too has been part of a long-standing refusal by Congress to obey Article V of the Cons ution. Why don’t passionate Paul supporters see his lack of integrity, guts and consistency?

    Support for using the Article V convention option should be a litmus test for any presidential candidate, which is reasonable considering that Abraham Lincoln and Franklin Roosevelt supported it.

    First, let’s be clear that Paul has no problem in seeing the need for cons utional amendments. For example, he has been a proponent of an amendment that would not allow children born in the USA from illegal parents to become citizens. Second, he has maintained throughout his career his love and respect for our Cons ution. Third, he has carefully refused to publicly state his views on the provision in Article V of the Cons ution for the use of a convention of state delegates to make proposed amendments as the alternative to Congress proposing amendments (the only procedure used for 220 years). Fourth, he has made no attempt to pass any law that would modify, clarify or expand the single requirement now in Article V for a convention. How can a champion of the Cons ution remain so silent on Congress’s refusal to honor over 500 applications from all 50 states for a convention that more than satisfies the one and only requirement in Article V?

    Anyone who studies the history of attempts to get the first Article V convention will learn that it has consistently been opposed by people and groups on the political left and right that are part of the nation’s elitist political status quo establishment. So here is Ron Paul, supposedly an honest non-elitist political maverick that does not fit into the political establishment, yet too cowardly to stand up to the political establishment by backing the use of the Article V convention option. Paul has had virtually no real impact on what Congress has done, yet he does not support the convention option that would cir vent the power of Congress. What does he have to lose?

    Of course, if all the passionate supporters of Paul would spend more time investigating all his congressional activities, they would find a lot more to seriously question. A chief example is that he has routinely inserted earmarks for pork spending to make cons uents in his district happy. Then he hides behind his votes against the spending bills containing his earmark spending items. But those earmarks remain in those spending bills passed by Congress. Tell me, is that really virtuous behavior? His earmarks increase federal activities and spending. Many have been for projects by the Army Corps of Engineers, many to funnel money to the Texas Department of Transportation (including one for repairs to the Galveston Trolley system), and one for Texas A&M University/Galveston Campus to convert the Texas Clipper for educational purposes; maybe this was the $30 million for the Texas Maritime Academy to refurbish a ship. And then there was the $8 million for the marketing of wild American shrimp and $2.3 million to pay for research into shrimp fishing. This seems like pretty conventional Republican politics. This year Paul has requested about $400 million worth of federal spending for his district – not exactly consistent with Paul’s rhetoric on reducing federal spending and taxing. His duty is to inform his cons uents about the wrongness of earmarks, not capitulate to their requests.

    There is still time for Paul to search his soul and find the courage to either to support use of the Article V convention as the route to achieving deep political reforms that Congress itself will never have the integrity to propose through cons utional amendments, or to step up and make the case for an amendment that would remove the never-used Article V convention option.

    Here is some irony. With our thoroughly corrupt and rigged political system Ron Paul has absolutely zero chance of becoming the Republican presidential nominee, regardless of his high level of grassroots support. Odd then that Paul has not supported the one and only route to profoundly changing this awful political system. It is the method our Founders gave us with the Article V convention option. Indeed, his lack of support for using the Article V convention option seems to makes him a part of the political establishment, which is consistent with his recent announcement that if he does not get the Republican nomination he will not run as a third party candidate.
    Ron Paul is a 6-1 shot to be the next president.

    Here are the latest Las Vegas Odds:

    2008 Presidential Race (All Bets Action)
    11-04-08 6:05 PM

    Hillary Clinton 1-3

    Al Gore 4-1

    John McCain 5-1

    George Allen Jr 50-1

    Rudy Giuliani 5-1

    Sam Brownback 25-1

    Bill Richardson 50-1

    Mark Warner 30-1

    Mitt Romney 8-1

    Mike Huckabee 50-1

    Evan Bayh 40-1

    Chuck Hagel 200-1

    Colin Powell 50-1

    Joe Biden 50-1

    Bill Frist 50-1

    John Edwards 6-1

    Newt Gingrich 20-1

    Tom Vilsack 50-1

    Russ Feingold 50-1

    Barack Obama 7-2

    Rick Santorum 80-1

    Tom Tancredo 100-1

    Mike Gravel 100-1

    Tom Ridge 60-1

    Tom Daschle 60-1

    Bill Owens 100-1

    Bob Kerrey 100-1

    John Kerry 40-1

    George Pataki 50-1

    Condoleezza Rice 30-1

    Gary Locke 100-1

    Gephardt 100-1

    Wesley Clark 20-1

    Cheney 75-1

    Howard Dean 100-1

    Alberto Gonzales 100-1

    Bob Ehrlich 100-1

    Charles Schumer 100-1

    Harold Ford Jr 100-1

    Jack Kemp 100-1

    Jeb Bush 100-1

    Jay Rockefeller 100-1

    Ralph Nader 100-1

    Paul Bremmer 150-1

    Joe Lieberman 150-1

    Bob Graham 150-1

    Michael Bloomberg 15-1

    Tommy Franks 200-1

    Jesse Jackson 200-1

    George W Bush 200-1

    Dennis Kucinich 200-1

    Arnold Schwarzenegger 250-1

    Bill Clinton 300-1

    Paul Wolfowitz 750-1

    Alan Keyes 750-1

    Elizabeth Dole 750-1

    Clint Eastwood 750-1

    Ted Kennedy 750-1

    Bill OReilly 750-1

    Laura Bush 500-1

    James Carville 1000-1

    Jesse Ventura 1000-1

    Al Sharpton 500-1

    John Ashcroft 1500-1

    Donald Rumsfeld 500-1

    Pat Robertson 2000-1

    Bill Maher 2500-1

    Donald Trump 1000-1

    Michael Moore 1000-1

    Chris Dodd 100-1

    Doug Stanhope 50-1

    Wayne Root 1000-1

    Ron Paul 6-1

    Fred Thompson 4-1

    Tommy Thompson 200-1

    Duncan Hunter 200-1

    http://www.sportsbook.com/sportsbook...nes.php?st=203

    Look under "Exotics".

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    Here are the latest Las Vegas Odds:
    Hmmmm.... how does one trust this site?

    75.00% Hillary Clinton
    22.22% Barack Obama
    20.00% Al Gore
    20.00% Fred Thompson
    16.67% John McCain
    16.67% Rudy Giuliani
    14.29% John Edwards
    14.29% Ron Paul
    11.11% Mitt Romney

    etc.
    etc.

    290.72% Total

    Now I'm no expert, but shouldn't the odds add up to near 100%?

    Look at the democrats, hillary 1:2, Obama 8:5. 66.7% and 38.5%. Just the two are above 100%!

    Is this a legit site?

    Also, if Hillary gets a 66.7% chance in the primary, how does she get a 75% chance ofbeing president? With the democrats having 61.5% projection of winning, that's only a 41% chance of winning. Not 75%.

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    Hmmmm.... how does one trust this site?

    75.00% Hillary Clinton
    22.22% Barack Obama
    20.00% Al Gore
    20.00% Fred Thompson
    16.67% John McCain
    16.67% Rudy Giuliani
    14.29% John Edwards
    14.29% Ron Paul
    11.11% Mitt Romney

    etc.
    etc.

    290.72% Total

    Now I'm no expert, but shouldn't the odds add up to near 100%?

    Look at the democrats, hillary 1:2, Obama 8:5. 66.7% and 38.5%. Just the two are above 100%!

    Is this a legit site?

    Also, if Hillary gets a 66.7% chance in the primary, how does she get a 75% chance ofbeing president? With the democrats having 61.5% projection of winning, that's only a 41% chance of winning. Not 75%.
    It adds up to over 100% so the house can make a profit.

    To calculate the odds of winning, you must multiply the stated odds by the ratio 100/290.72

    www.sportsbook.com is the # 1 online bookmaker in the world.

    If you take a closer look at the odds, you can see that Ron Paul is considered the best chance to win a general election for the GOP.

    Since he is 4-1 to get the nomination, and 6-1 to win the general election, he is 2/3 likely to win the general election if he gets the nomination.

    Since Ron Paul most closely matches the general public on the war issue, this make sense.

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    Ron Paul is in third place in the GOP primary at www.Intrade.com as well:

    2008.GOP.NOM.GIULIANI
    Rudy Giuliani to be the Republican Presidential Nominee in 2008 M 38.2 40.6 38.1 121501 -3.9
    2008.GOP.NOM.ROMNEY
    Mitt Romney to be the Republican Presidential Nominee in 2008 M 28.3 28.7 28.7 99620 +0.2
    2008.GOP.NOM.THOMPSON(F)
    Fred Thompson to be the Republican Presidential Nominee in 2008 M 7.7 7.9 7.7 91477 -0.6
    2008.GOP.NOM.MCCAIN
    John McCain to be the Republican Presidential Nominee in 2008 M 7.0 7.3 7.0 150096 -0.1
    2008.GOP.NOM.PAUL
    Ron Paul to be the Republican Presidential Nominee in 2008 M 8.1 8.3 8.2 72893 -0.5
    2008.GOP.NOM.HUCKABEE
    Mike Huckabee to be the Republican Presidential Nominee in 2008 M 5.6 5.7 5.6 60512 +1.1

    http://www.intrade.com/jsp/intrade/contractSearch/

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    Of course, if all the passionate supporters of Paul would spend more time investigating all his congressional activities, they would find a lot more to seriously question. A chief example is that he has routinely inserted earmarks for pork spending to make cons uents in his district happy. Then he hides behind his votes against the spending bills containing his earmark spending items. But those earmarks remain in those spending bills passed by Congress. Tell me, is that really virtuous behavior? His earmarks increase federal activities and spending. Many have been for projects by the Army Corps of Engineers, many to funnel money to the Texas Department of Transportation (including one for repairs to the Galveston Trolley system), and one for Texas A&M University/Galveston Campus to convert the Texas Clipper for educational purposes; maybe this was the $30 million for the Texas Maritime Academy to refurbish a ship. And then there was the $8 million for the marketing of wild American shrimp and $2.3 million to pay for research into shrimp fishing. This seems like pretty conventional Republican politics. This year Paul has requested about $400 million worth of federal spending for his district – not exactly consistent with Paul’s rhetoric on reducing federal spending and taxing. His duty is to inform his cons uents about the wrongness of earmarks, not capitulate to their requests.
    I guess Ill beat this dead horse again. The money will go somewhere, so why wouldnt he want it for his district?? The fact is he has never taken a tax-payer funded junket, refuses medicare, and chose to not accept federal aid for his daughter's college tuition (to name a few). How many politicians can say that? Articles like these are ridiculous. You could fill the oceans with all the backroom deals and lies from all the other candidates and yet Paul is written off b/c of this.

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    Now I'm no expert, but shouldn't the odds add up to near 100%?

    Look at the democrats, hillary 1:2, Obama 8:5. 66.7% and 38.5%. Just the two are above 100%!

    Is this a legit site?
    The logic behind Vegas odds is "how do we entice people to lay down more bets".

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    So Paul is not perfect and hasn't publicly supported some obscure cons utional procedure.

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    I applaud Wild Cobra's complete understanding of betting odds.

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    I think this guy thinks that when Ron Paul wants to get rid of something that the federal government does, then he also wants prevent state or local government from doing it as well.

    For example, Paul wants Roe v. Wade overturned, but he wants the states to make their own abortion laws.

    He wants to get rid of the Department of Education, but I haven't seen him say that he wants to ban all public education in the states, and I seriously doubt that he wants to.

    Just because he wants to get rid of a federal regulation does not mean that he intends to get rid of the states' power to regulate; he wouldn't have the power to do that anyway.

    Paul also wants to end corporate welfare and the personal income tax, but he didn't mention that. The guy even brought up the newsletter thing. I can't believe he didn't bring up earmarks; I'm guessing he's never heard of that one.

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    Again Brad, I like Ron Paul except for his stance of being Commander in Chief. That is a seriously important role, and he deviates too much from my beliefs.

    I would love to see a conservative leaning libertarian as president. Just not him.
    Last edited by Wild Cobra; 11-07-2007 at 05:53 PM.

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    right because youre prowar and hes not

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    How did Ron Paul raise all of that money (4.2 million) on November 5th?

    Ron Paul's Money

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    If you think you can rise to the national stage without dirtying your pure little hands, youre delusional. Everyone's hands need to be properly greased. If it didnt go to his district, it'd be in Wyoming preventing a 9/11-type terrorist attack there.

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    right because youre prowar and hes not

    Ever hear the phrase "Peace for our time". It was uttered
    by a British Prime Minister after a meeting with Hitler.

    And the following taken from wikipedia.




    The phrase "peace for our time" was spoken on 30 September, 1938 by British prime minister Neville Chamberlain in his speech concerning the Munich Agreement, often misquoted as "peace in our time". It is primarily remembered for its ironic value. The Munich Agreement gave the Sudetenland of Czechoslovakia to Hitler in an attempt to satisfy his desire for Lebensraum or "living space" for Germany. The German invasion of Sudetenland began on 1 October.

    One year after the agreement, following continued aggression from Germany and its invasion of Poland, Europe was plunged into World War II.Peace in our time

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    ever hear of the gulf of tonkin 1964?

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    ever hear of the gulf of tonkin 1964?


    I don't listen to hip hop.

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    Ron Paul Money Bomb for the Boston Tea Party!

    On December 16th, 1773, American colonists dumped tea into the Boston Harbor to protest an
    oppressive tax. This December 16th, American citizens will dump millions of dollars into the
    Ron Paul presidential campaign to protest the oppressive and uncons utional inflation tax
    (which has enabled a flawed foreign policy, a costly war and the sacrificing
    of our liberties here at home).

    http://www.teaparty07.com/

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    ever hear of the gulf of tonkin 1964?
    That was a dimm-0-crap liberal that made that up,
    supposedly, right?

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    made what up?

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    That was a dimm-0-crap liberal that made that up,
    supposedly, right?


    ....Tonkin was made up....

    (we need a irony symbol...any suggestions?)

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    Ron Paul Money Bomb for the Boston Tea Party!

    On December 16th, 1773, American colonists dumped tea into the Boston Harbor to protest an
    oppressive tax. This December 16th, American citizens will dump millions of dollars into the
    Ron Paul presidential campaign to protest the oppressive and uncons utional inflation tax
    (which has enabled a flawed foreign policy, a costly war and the sacrificing
    of our liberties here at home).

    http://www.teaparty07.com/
    ...Anarchist....

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    a little mission accomplished banner

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