SA Pastor is Sex Freak

[E20]

I saw his sermon and I'm pretty sure that if Jesus were to see how this sermon is conducted he would laugh his ass off. Looked a cross between Jerry Springer and the Price is Right.

Also, the lady being interviewed had a Dennis Rodman voice, what is this guy doing hitting on women with a man voice?

[ploto]

People can base judgement based on this story if they want. I choose not to do so because I don't think its right to. The news story was based on a woman telling her side of the story and some other email or something like that. However, the allegations haven't been proven.

There is more in that story than one woman's story and an-email.

A woman who says she was victimized by Hawkins sexual advances asked us not to reveal who she is.

We've confirmed Hawkins had several extramarital affairs before he and his wife divorced last February.

One of his affairs recently caused the break up of a marriage between two of his church employees.

A former book keeper even left the church in protest over those payments.

We also uncovered another one of Hawkins indiscretions, again with another married member of his congregation.

In an e-mail, the husband of that woman confirms the incident.

[BacktoBasics]

We've confirmed Hawkins had several extramarital affairs before he and his wife divorced last February.

Would that be considered an opinion?

[MoSpur]

There is more in that story than one woman's story and an-email.

They state they confirmed, but none of the confirmations were reported on the story.

[BacktoBasics]

They state they confirmed, but none of the confirmations were reported on the story.

There may be a reason to hold back info, like privacy and so forth.

Orrrrrrrrrr the glove didn't fit

[td4mvp21]

That is pretty damn sad. Don't preach to people and then go off and do the opposite. I hate people like that.

[MoSpur]

Would that be considered an opinion?

If it was actually confirmed, then no. Who did they confirm that with though? They didn't say who they confirmed their allegations with.

I am not here to defend this pastor. All I am saying is that the story in my opinion seems to be one-sided. If it turns out to be true, it would be very sad. If it turns out to be false it will still be very sad. I just believe that it isn't right for me to judge someone. I believe that God is the only one who can judge.

[peewee's lovechild]

If it was actually confirmed, then no. Who did they confirm that with though? They didn't say who they confirmed their allegations with.

I am not here to defend this pastor. All I am saying is that the story in my opinion seems to be one-sided. If it turns out to be true, it would be very sad. If it turns out to be false it will still be very sad. I just believe that it isn't right for me to judge someone. I believe that God is the only one who can judge.

I wonder if you felt this same way about the allegations directed towards Ted Haggard.

[MoSpur]

What happened when I started a thread in here about a fellow poster under the name Batman got shot?

People started going off as to why he got shot based on what KENS had reported. KENS reported what the police had told them.

However, according to Batman not all of what was reported was true. However, people felt free to judge Batman and his friends based on what was reported.

Ask Batman if that's fair.

[MoSpur]

I wonder if you felt this same way about the allegations directed towards Ted Haggard.

To be honest, I don't know who he is.

[peewee's lovechild]

To be honest, I don't know who he is.

A famous pastor who the everyone regarded as being this great guy and even had access to the White House because of his religiosity.

He got caught banging a tranny and doing meth.

[MoSpur]

A famous pastor who the everyone regarded as being this great guy and even had access to the White House because of his religiosity.

He got caught banging a tranny and doing meth.

Honestly, I never heard of that.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

"Let us now sing the opening hymn..."

"Bow-chicka-bow-wow."

[peewee's lovechild]

"Let us now sing the opening hymn..."

"Bow-chicka-bow-wow."

It gives a whole new meaning to the snake tempting Eve.

But, it all makes sense somehow.

[Sunshine]

Rick Hawkins, who is the pastor at Family Praise Worship on Loop 410, got busted by WOAI-TV last night for soliciting sex with a bunch of single and married women that he was "counseling". I am not sure what is more sad....the harm he inflicted on all those women, or all those suckers (church members) that bought into his bull . Watch the video and see all those members jumping around like trained monkeys while he rails his venom.

As a sidebar, his newest "best friend", TV evangelist Paula White, who bought an expensive house in Boerne near Hawkins own house, was one of 5 national TV evangelist the Senate will investigate. Hawkins was recently divorced and White is getting divorced.

http://www.woai.com/news/local/story...4-b66a8e619e05

I wonder when he and Paula will be tying the knot?

[Twisted_Dawg]

I wonder when he and Paula will be tying the knot?

I am sure after that story broke yesterday she has deleted him from her Fav Five.

[Twisted_Dawg]

This goes back to the "attack on Christians" topic started in that other thread. Otherwise why even start the thread? Try to keep up.

Obviously there are some rotten apples. That doesn't suggest that all apples are rotten.

Have you ever thought that the "attack on Christians" starts with those that
lie about and bend the message of Christ to serve their own needs and interests?

[Twisted_Dawg]

If it was actually confirmed, then no. Who did they confirm that with though? They didn't say who they confirmed their allegations with.

I am not here to defend this pastor. All I am saying is that the story in my opinion seems to be one-sided. If it turns out to be true, it would be very sad. If it turns out to be false it will still be very sad. I just believe that it isn't right for me to judge someone. I believe that God is the only one who can judge.

Where you by chance one of those members of Hawkin's church shown on the video jumping up and down, lying on the ground and speaking in tongues?

Get a reality check: Hawkins is a S-N-A-K-E.

[Twisted_Dawg]

I will judge televangelists/celebrity ministers a bit harshly because most of them have turned out to be all about glorifying themselves.

...not to mention making millions selling books, CD & DVD sets which lead to wealth, success and happiness. And throw in some "love offerings"....it's all good!

[Phenomanul]

Have you ever thought that the "attack on Christians" starts with those that
lie about and bend the message of Christ to serve their own needs and interests?

Whatever helps you sleep at night. Again, you are generalizing. When did believing in GOD require one to be poor? Wasn't King Solomon the richest man in recorded history?

While the financial spectrum for Christians is all over the board (from very poor to very rich), there is no rule that dictates that GOD can't financially bless people. He blesses some much, and others less. If you think about about it, it's not that hard to figure out; if GOD blessed certain people with more than they could manage they then would lose their dependence on Him. Obviously, that's not something He would want. And while that may be the case for many, even that is not a rule.

Besides (for the second time) many of these people give away far more money, both percentage-wise and absolute value-wise than the majority of those that criticize them. It's a two way street.

So yes... while it is true that many early Christians gave away all their earthly possessions in pursuit of Christ's calling many seem to forget that it was other Christians who helped financially support them.

To each their own.

And again re-read the very first thing I wrote in this thread.

Don't judge the many by the actions of a few.

That point continues to be ignored.

[Sapphire]

Whatever helps you sleep at night. Again, you are generalizing. When did believing in GOD require one to be poor? Wasn't King Solomon the richest man in recorded history?

While the financial spectrum for Christians is all over the board (from very poor to very rich), there is no rule that dictates that GOD can't financially bless people. He blesses some much, and others less. If you think about about it, it's not that hard to figure out; if GOD blessed certain people with more than they could manage they then would lose their dependence on Him. Obviously, that's not something He would want. And while that may be the case for many, even that is not a rule.

Besides (for the second time) many of these people give away far more money, both percentage-wise and absolute value-wise than the majority of those that criticize them. It's a two way street.

So yes... while it is true that many early Christians gave away all their earthly possessions in pursuit of Christ's calling many seem to forget that it was other Christians who helped financially support them.

To each their own.

And again re-read the very first thing I wrote in this thread.



That point continues to be ignored.

What I have a problem with is these "blessings". It's wonderful that God blessed my pastor with a $400K home in Stone Oak, however, I don't understand why, as a pastor, he feels the need to live in a $400K home in Stone Oak. Especially when just this past weekend we had our Missions Conference, where some of the missionaries, who are dirt poor, shared the stage with our pastor. I just think it's very hypocritical to stand side by side with them in "support" when after the service you are going to your palace, and they are going back to Mexico, where they live in basically a hut, to spread the Gospel.

[Holt's Cat]

What I have a problem with is these "blessings". It's wonderful that God blessed my pastor with a $400K home in Stone Oak, however, I don't understand why, as a pastor, he feels the need to live in a $400K home in Stone Oak. Especially when just this past weekend we had our Missions Conference, where some of the missionaries, who are dirt poor, shared the stage with our pastor. I just think it's very hypocritical to stand side by side with them in "support" when after the service you are going to your palace, and they are going back to Mexico, where they live in basically a hut, to spread the Gospel.

Amen.

[peewee's lovechild]

Whatever helps you sleep at night. Again, you are generalizing. When did believing in GOD require one to be poor? Wasn't King Solomon the richest man in recorded history?

While the financial spectrum for Christians is all over the board (from very poor to very rich), there is no rule that dictates that GOD can't financially bless people. He blesses some much, and others less. If you think about about it, it's not that hard to figure out; if GOD blessed certain people with more than they could manage they then would lose their dependence on Him. Obviously, that's not something He would want. And while that may be the case for many, even that is not a rule.

Besides (for the second time) many of these people give away far more money, both percentage-wise and absolute value-wise than the majority of those that criticize them. It's a two way street.

So yes... while it is true that many early Christians gave away all their earthly possessions in pursuit of Christ's calling many seem to forget that it was other Christians who helped financially support them.

To each their own.

And again re-read the very first thing I wrote in this thread.



That point continues to be ignored.

Re , King Solomon was a Jew. He wasn't Christian. He didn't follow the teachings of Christ. And, he also became a huge disappointment to god.

You've just shown how stupid and clueless you are.

Stop posting.
Seriously.

[Melmart1]

Besides (for the second time) many of these people give away far more money, both percentage-wise and absolute value-wise than the majority of those that criticize them.

And how exactly do you have access to their tax forms?

[Phenomanul]

What I have a problem with is these "blessings". It's wonderful that God blessed my pastor with a $400K home in Stone Oak, however, I don't understand why, as a pastor, he feels the need to live in a $400K home in Stone Oak. Especially when just this past weekend we had our Missions Conference, where some of the missionaries, who are dirt poor, shared the stage with our pastor. I just think it's very hypocritical to stand side by side with them in "support" when after the service you are going to your palace, and they are going back to Mexico, where they live in basically a hut, to spread the Gospel.

My father is a Pastor. His annual salary is $16,000 per year. It is a meager sum and I therefore augment his salary with my own.

Again people; I agree that some of these people are living superfluous lives. I will however, staunchly object to peoples' tendency of lumping all ministers into one character pool just for the sake of attacking the Christian belief system. They masquerade their hate, and justify their aversion with a 'generalization'; which to me speaks volumes about their own intolerance.