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think i'll stay away from your detroit area. something i'd recommend for everybody.
My shop could easily convert itself into a gunsmith. And if/when the government decides to strike down the second amendment as we know it, one of our CNCs will start producing guns immediately.
I am not a hunter, but I would love to see you have that argument of yours here in Michigan, CB. The women would kick your ass.
think i'll stay away from your detroit area. something i'd recommend for everybody.
Hey, clambake, what do you think of fishing? Do you eat seafood?
I would because employment sucks, but otherwise its a great place to live.
But if youre trying to intimate that the Metro Area is somehow less civilized, youd be mistaken.
People that hunt, own ATVs and jet skis, boats and cottages would consider themselves "outdoorsmen".
The "outdoorsmen", I would guess (complete guess), number half the population. Hunting isnt some taboo here, its encouraged. The white-tail deer are so numerous in Michigan, Macomb County Sheriff's Department has a yearly "cleansing" it must perform in the local parks because the deer breed at an extraordinary rate, a rate that cannot be controlled by the limited hunting season.
Its either that, or a 300-500% increase in traffic deaths due to deer. Hitting a full grown white tail at 50+ mph is no joke for you, your car or passengers.
Oh, and for those that don't hunt. Who's going to put food on your table if a time should ever come that we need to survive without grocery stores?
I can build a fire, I can hit what I'm aiming at, and I can plant a garden from seed.
Good luck to you clambake...but, if I have anything left after feeding my family and friends, you're welcome at my table. Just don't criticize the food.
The Court's orders today did not mention the gun case. We'll have to wait for at least one more conference cycle to know what might happen. Lots of theories about why there was no disposition (justices wanting more time, Court re-writing the issues presented, the Court has already denied the pe ion but one or more justices are dissenting to that decision). In any event, we're waiting until at least 11/20 or perhaps 11/26 for some action.
bull argument. I can hunt, I just don't. Just because people don't hunt, doesn't mean they can't.
Besides I'm having trouble envisioning a scenario where all of us are suddenly going to have to start hunting to feed our family
Just to clarify, I don't have much against hunting, i just thought the argument was bull.
I don't know, listen to some of the nutters in here and we're facing a bleak future when China pulls the rug out from under us.
Besides I'm having trouble envisioning a scenario where all of us are suddenly going to have to start hunting to feed our family
Just to clarify, I don't have much against hunting, i just thought the argument was bull.
I don't think it's a bull argument that it's a good idea to keep your skills up in case you find it more economical to hunt your food than buy it at the store.
Shooting a deer at 300 yards isn't like riding a bicycle...you can lose the skill if you don't use it.
While I would agree the argument is an extreme version, are you sure you can hunt?
Besides I'm having trouble envisioning a scenario where all of us are suddenly going to have to start hunting to feed our family
Just to clarify, I don't have much against hunting, i just thought the argument was bull.
Hunting, as we know it in America, isnt hunting as it was. Let me explain.
I could grab my fully automatic rifle, my camoflage and some provisions, head out into the forest and the chances of me bringing home some meat for the family to eat are closer to 10%.
Thats not a big deal seeing as we live in communities that have a grocery store on every corner.
But, lets play Imaginary World for a moment, and next month the food and water runs out (think really dire oil crisis). What do you do? I know what a lot of idiots would do, they'd grab their fully automatic rifle, their camo and some provisions and head out into the forest thinking thats some form of hunting. When 30% of the populace starves to death, you'll start to understand that as bad and as inhumane as hunting deer with a rifle is, if you REALLY needed food, the rifle would be the dumbest, most inefficent method to provide food.
The reality is, trapping is the only viable, long term way of supplying ample food for a family or community. Trapping was replaced by farming for food. In the sense that we have beef farms, and chicken farms and so on. But if you really had to live off the land, your guns wouldnt be used to get food. They would be used to keep the food you did have. Because other humans would want it.
Guns were never designed to assist man's explotation of the world, they were designed to kill other men from a safe distance. No rigorous, Spartan-like training needed. Point. Shoot. Dead. The advent of modern warfare.
Basically, if civilization was in ruins, head south and learn from the best. The Southern Trapper isnt a tag line, its still a thriving, albeit illegal practice.
Teach a man to fish, and all that.
That has some merit but, you're still going to kill your food after you trap it. And, probably with a gun.
And, forgive me, I'm not going to start a deer farm and not many of us will have the land to begin ranching anyway. I think, I'll stick to hunting if the situation becomes that dire.
DR, if the deer population is what you say, then mich. should take a closer look at the industry, considering the unemployment.
Yoni, if your scenario came true, it wouldn't just be deer in season, if you know what I mean.
You're right but, I'd rather be eating deer than 'possum. And, I'd rather be skilled with a firearm -- when that time comes -- than not.
opossum is not what I meant.
Im not exaggerating in the slightest. I know "gun-ho" peeps who want in on the "volunteer" portion of the Sheriff's annual hunt.
Whatever you meant, I'd rather be armed than not...and, I rather be skilled with that arm, than not.
sounds like something that warrants a closer look.
I'm no marksman, but I bet I could kill a cow.
yes, but that skill doesn't need to honed from a blind.
besides, if your scenario came true, there wouldn't be that many to feed or that much to eat. it would be nuclear winter.
Well deer isn't the only edible animal going. Squirrels and Rabbits
make a good meal. Armadillo was also eaten when I was a
youngster. I didn't particuarily like it. But my Mom could do
wonders with squirrel, mashed potatoes, gravy and biscuits.
And I think I could still raise a pretty good garden and some
chickens. Of course I would have to run Chump, GGA and
few others off, since they would think they were en led to
anything they want.LOL
Of course some good back strap in place of the squirrel
works okay too. I never hunted deer but once, believe it
or not they just weren't that plentiful, like non-existent,
when I was a young person. And here we think we are
killing off everything. I don't think so.
if you had all of the above, in yoni's scenario, you'd be a dead man.
In most of yours, we already are.
In most of yours, we already are.
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