20pts - 5reb - 5ast players

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

at exstatic.

[Mark in Austin]

Even the most hardcore Manu fan couldn't have predicted this good of a start. His play over the first ten games has been nothing short of stunning. I seriously think Manu is playing his role for the Spurs better than anyone in the league could play it.

My question is if this is the best ten game stretch of his career? I know he was a monster in the 2005 playoffs but even then he had some off games mixed in.

Take away the deep thigh buise that practically incapacitated him for 2.5 games in the middle of the finals, and I would say the '05 run is more impressive. Actually, given the pressure of the playoffs, I think I still have to go with '05.

That being said, his start to this season has been incredible. The fact that he is so efficient, and has done this for the most part within the framework of the offense is stunning. There isn't another player on the planet that can do what Manu does. As far as I'm concerned, there's not a better player to compliment Parker and Duncan either.

[ArgSpursFan.]

My question is if this is the best ten game stretch of his career? I know he was a monster in the 2005 playoffs but even then he had some off games mixed in.

nope,he had some better moments.
In feb 2005,when he won that game in Phoenix for as with 48 pts in overtime, he was the player of the month, I'm not sure if it was just the western conference or the whole NBA.
And thanks to that Month of Feb, he actually had a chance to be in his 1st all star game.

[timvp]

Take away the deep thigh buise that practically incapacitated him for 2.5 games in the middle of the finals, and I would say the '05 run is more impressive. Actually, given the pressure of the playoffs, I think I still have to go with '05.

Yeah, adding in the fact that it's the playoffs, the 2005 playoffs was no doubt the best stretch of games in Manu's career. Not only that, it had to be one of the best stretches of basketball played by anyone in the last decade of the NBA.

That said, there wasn't a ten game stretch during that period in which he averaged 20, 5 and 5. In fact, I don't see any ten game stretch in Manu's career in which he averaged 20, 5 and 5 other than the first ten games of this sesaon.

It's also worth noting that no player has ever averaged 20, 5 and 5 in less than 30 minutes played. The fewest amount of minutes anyone has average 20, 5, 5 is 31.5 minutes by Ray Williams of the Knicks in '79-80. Ginobili is currently averaging 28.9 minutes per game.

[timvp]

For the Hollinger lovers out there . . .

Top Eight PER Seasons of All-Time
1) Wilt Chamberlain, '62-63 - 31.8
2) Wilt Chamberlain, '61-62 - 31.8
3) Michael Jordan, '87-88 - 31.7
4) Michael Jordan, '90-91 - 31.6
5) Wilt Chamberlain, '63-64 - 31.6
6) Michael Jordan, '89-90 - 31.2
7) Michael Jordan, '88-89 - 31.1
8) David Robinson, '93-94 - 30.7


Currently, Manu Ginobili's PER is 33.27

[E20]

That's a lot of Micheal and Wilt's.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

For the Hollinger lovers out there . . .

Top Eight PER Seasons of All-Time
1) Wilt Chamberlain, '62-63 - 31.8
2) Wilt Chamberlain, '61-62 - 31.8
3) Michael Jordan, '87-88 - 31.7
4) Michael Jordan, '90-91 - 31.6
5) Wilt Chamberlain, '63-64 - 31.6
6) Michael Jordan, '89-90 - 31.2
7) Michael Jordan, '88-89 - 31.1
8) David Robinson, '93-94 - 30.7


Currently, Manu Ginobili's PER is 33.27

damn!

[timvp]

That's a lot of Micheal and Wilt's and a David Robinson

Fixed.

[freemeat]

LeBron's 8 assists are pretty impressive, if these numbers are true!

He's on a pretty crappy team, so the fact that he finds scorers at that rate is incredible!

[Martin R]

to have those numbers playing less than 30 minutes and with 12 shots a game, that AMAZING. Never seen ANYTHING close to that.
He is almost averaging two points per shot taken!!!! AMAZING!

[jmard5]

It's a lot easier for him to be efficient when you have the greatest PF in NBA history playing with you, as opposed to Kwame Brown or Drew Gooden. Not to mention Parker > Daniel Gibson/Derek Fisher, Bruce Bowen > Larry Hughes/Luke Walton, as well as a loaded bench, as opposed to two teams with zero bench. Simply replace Manu with Kobe, and Kobe would probably 25-30 ppg on 50% shooting in the same amount of time as Manu.

Manu is simply having a hot start, and it will die down. The other guys mentioned are always just that good.

Trying to downplay, Manu, huh?

He is on the second team and usually doesn't have Duncan or Parker. Compare his minutes per game along with McGrady, Bryant and LeBron and you will see that he is very efficient with the limited minutes he is playing.

In short, he does not jack a lot of shots to get his points.

[Holt's Cat]

It does not surprise me that you can take one of DRob's early 90s seasons and find that he performed at the level of the greatest of all time. Unfortunately his supporting casts back then consisted of Negele Knight, Donald Royal, etc...

[T Park]

Unfortunately his supporting casts back then consisted of Negele Knight, Donald Royal,

Don't forget such studs as JR Reid, Vinny Del Negro, Monty Williams, and a one legged Vinny Johnson.

[Hemotivo]

and avery

[Demo Dick Marcinko]

Come on guys, playing along side Dwayne Schintzius made David the player he was.

[KidCongo]

LeBron's 8 assists are pretty impressive, if these numbers are true!

He's on a pretty crappy team, so the fact that he finds scorers at that rate is incredible!

if half the players could hit their shots he would average 10+ assists easily. But you could say for most players.

[xcoriate]

@ E20

that post was gold!!

[bdictjames]

It's a lot easier for Terry to be efficient when you have a great PF in the NBA playing with you, as opposed to Kwame Brown or Drew Gooden. Not to mention Harris> Daniel Gibson/Derek Fisher, Josh Howard > Larry Hughes/Luke Walton, as well as a loaded bench, as opposed to two teams with zero bench. Simply replace Terry with Kobe, and Kobe would probably 40-50 ppg on 80% shooting in the same amount of time as Terry.

Terry is simply having a hot start, and it will die down. The other guys mentioned are always just that good.

ing LMAO

[Medvedenko]

Here we go again...comparing a bench player who plays the majority of his LIMITED minutes against the second string vs Lebron and Kobe.....hillarious really. You place Manu on an NBA team that he's the first option, you'll see different #'s. Is he having a great season...yes, probably statistically his best season, but to put in on the level of those aformentioned players, is not valid.

[bdictjames]

Here we go again...comparing a bench player who plays the majority of his LIMITED minutes against the second string vs Lebron and Kobe.....hillarious really. You place Manu on an NBA team that he's the first option, you'll see different #'s. Is he having a great season...yes, probably statistically his best season, but to put in on the level of those aformentioned players, is not valid.

Manu > Kobe so far.

Odom and Farmar are the stars of the Lakers. Not Kobe. What is his shooting percentage this season again?

[dnlasers]

how about jason kidds stats so far he's averaging almost a triple double. Now thats crazy for a point guard.

11.7 pts
9.3 rebs
10.5 assists

[mabber]

Hollinger gets caught up in pure numbers, sometimes. He doesn't use his brain to discern that Manu started his NBA career at 25, so at 30, he'll have FAR fewer miles than a 29 YO Kobe Bryant.

Manu career RS and playoff minutes 12786
Kobe career RS and playoff minutes 33768

Aren't age and minutes pure numbers?

[anakha]

Aren't age and minutes pure numbers?

In this case, minutes hold more relevance than age.

Kobe may still be young, but he's definitely a player with a lot of mileage. Hence the knee problems he's had.

This is also why I think Parker may decline at an earlier age than most people expect. He's pretty young too, but those minutes (especially considering he's been in the playoffs every year since he came into the league) will take their toll sooner or later.

[Kent_in_Atlanta]

It's a lot easier for him to be efficient when you have the greatest PF in NBA history playing with you, as opposed to Kwame Brown or Drew Gooden. Not to mention Parker > Daniel Gibson/Derek Fisher, Bruce Bowen > Larry Hughes/Luke Walton, as well as a loaded bench, as opposed to two teams with zero bench. Simply replace Manu with Kobe, and Kobe would probably 25-30 ppg on 50% shooting in the same amount of time as Manu.

Manu is simply having a hot start, and it will die down. The other guys mentioned are always just that good.

Nope. The difference this year isn't just a hot start. It's largely due to the fact that he now gets to be "the man" on the floor more often. As a sub, he's getting more time with Tim and Tony on the bench, which gives him more la ude to show what he can do.

The fact that he actually rested (no international play) this summer helped as well.

If Manu doesn't finish the season as a 20-5-5 guy, he'll be damned close. Bet on it.

[Kent_in_Atlanta]

Here we go again...comparing a bench player who plays the majority of his LIMITED minutes against the second string vs Lebron and Kobe.....hillarious really. You place Manu on an NBA team that he's the first option, you'll see different #'s. Is he having a great season...yes, probably statistically his best season, but to put in on the level of those aformentioned players, is not valid.

No one "compared" him to those players. They simply pointed out the numbers. Argue with them if you like.

I think Kobe and Lebron are better players, but Manu is one of the top 10 talents in the league. Given a chance to play more often with Tim and Tony on the bench this year, his numbers should be more reflective of his ability.