20pts - 5reb - 5ast players

[Rick Von Braun]

So far, having played roughly 1/8 of the season, these are your 20-5-5 players in the league.

Name            GP  MPG  PPG   FGA-FGM  FG%  3P%  FTA-FTM  FT% REB AST STL
LeBron James    10 40.7 29.2 10.3-21.8 .472 .375 7.4-11.0 .673 7.8 8.0 1.8
Kobe Bryant      8 38.0 27.4  9.8-20.6 .473 .333 6.4--7.9 .810 7.4 5.3 1.2
Tracy McGrady    9 35.8 26.8  9.8-20.9 .468 .366 5.6--7.3 .758 5.1 5.1 1.1
Manu Ginobili   10 28.8 20.0  5.7-12.0 .475 .429 6.5--7.8 .833 5.7 5.1 2.3

[1Parker1]

Ginobili has a great shot of making the All star team this year. I really hope he does

[phyzik]

crazy numbers for Manu with those few minutes he is playing.

[ArgSpursFan.]

WOW, 28 mpg vs 35,38 and 40!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
that's what I call eficiency now.

[SAGambler]

And you notice Manu has the highest FG%, the highest 3 pt % and the highest FT % of the entire list.

Manu is a beast!

[doldrums]

That's terrific fact finding. I think hollinger made a big mistake predicting a Manu decline.

[stretch]

It's a lot easier for him to be efficient when you have the greatest PF in NBA history playing with you, as opposed to Kwame Brown or Drew Gooden. Not to mention Parker > Daniel Gibson/Derek Fisher, Bruce Bowen > Larry Hughes/Luke Walton, as well as a loaded bench, as opposed to two teams with zero bench. Simply replace Manu with Kobe, and Kobe would probably 25-30 ppg on 50% shooting in the same amount of time as Manu.

Manu is simply having a hot start, and it will die down. The other guys mentioned are always just that good.

[exstatic]

That's terrific fact finding. I think hollinger made a big mistake predicting a Manu decline.

Hollinger gets caught up in pure numbers, sometimes. He doesn't use his brain to discern that Manu started his NBA career at 25, so at 30, he'll have FAR fewer miles than a 29 YO Kobe Bryant.

Manu career RS and playoff minutes 12786
Kobe career RS and playoff minutes 33768

[The Truth #6]

Hollinger gets caught up in pure numbers, sometimes. He doesn't use his brain to discern that Manu started his NBA career at 25, so at 30, he'll have FAR fewer miles than a 29 YO Kobe Bryant.

Manu career RS and playoff minutes 12786
Kobe career RS and playoff minutes 33768

Yes, but its not like he didn't play any basketball minutes before the NBA. Also, since he's been in the NBA he's played more minutes per year than most players. I think its hard to compare without knowing his previous minutes so to speak.

[exstatic]

It's a lot easier for him to be efficient when you have the greatest PF in NBA history playing with you, as opposed to Kwame Brown or Drew Gooden. Not to mention Parker > Daniel Gibson/Derek Fisher, Bruce Bowen > Larry Hughes/Luke Walton, as well as a loaded bench, as opposed to two teams with zero bench. Simply replace Manu with Kobe, and Kobe would probably 25-30 ppg on 50% shooting in the same amount of time as Manu.

Manu is simply having a hot start, and it will die down. The other guys mentioned are always just that good.

Newsflash: Tim ain't playing for right now, and Parker is up and down. Manu is the rock for the Spurs right now.

Oh, and I don't think anyone one this list is going to score "25-30 ppg on 50% shooting" on Manu's 12 FGA per game. That's an impossibility. You'd have to shoot 100% (24pts) and get a bunch of And1s and shoot well on those, too. Manu doesn't break the offense, yet puts up nice numbers in a reduced role. Kobe could NEVER do that. , he didn't even want to split the shots TWO ways, with Shaq. His pride would never allow him to be one of three options on offense.

[The Truth #6]

It's a lot easier for him to be efficient when you have the greatest PF in NBA history playing with you, as opposed to Kwame Brown or Drew Gooden. Not to mention Parker > Daniel Gibson/Derek Fisher, Bruce Bowen > Larry Hughes/Luke Walton, as well as a loaded bench, as opposed to two teams with zero bench. Simply replace Manu with Kobe, and Kobe would probably 25-30 ppg on 50% shooting in the same amount of time as Manu.

Manu is simply having a hot start, and it will die down. The other guys mentioned are always just that good.

Manu isn't starting and is often playing when our best players are NOT on the floor, so I don't completely see your argument.

[exstatic]

Yes, but its not like he didn't play any basketball minutes before the NBA.

Never said that was the case. However, Euro games are only 40 minutes, compared to 48 for the NBA, and they play maybe 40-50 games a season. Consider his pre-NBA minutes to be about half of what they would have been in the NBA.

Also, since he's been in the NBA he's played more minutes per year than most players. I think its hard to compare without knowing his previous minutes so to speak.

That is just FLAT ING WRONG. Manu's minutes for his career are under 28 per game.

[bdictjames]

This season, Im quite concerned that Spurs just aren't that good when Manu isn't on the floor. Parker with the ball gives me jitters. Duncan is only great when he's hot.

[ArgSpursFan.]

It's a lot easier for him to be efficient when you have the greatest PF in NBA history playing with you, as opposed to Kwame Brown or Drew Gooden. Not to mention Parker > Daniel Gibson/Derek Fisher, Bruce Bowen > Larry Hughes/Luke Walton, as well as a loaded bench, as opposed to two teams with zero bench. Simply replace Manu with Kobe, and Kobe would probably 25-30 ppg on 50% shooting in the same amount of time as Manu.

Manu is simply having a hot start, and it will die down. The other guys mentioned are always just that good.

I would like to see Koby's numbers in 28 MPG
Of course if He is willing to play 28 MPG.

[duncan228]

Duncan is only great when he's hot.

Maybe he's only great on offense when he's hot, his defense is pretty reliable even in an off game.

[anakha]

It's a lot easier for him to be efficient when you have the greatest PF in NBA history playing with you, as opposed to Kwame Brown or Drew Gooden. Not to mention Parker > Daniel Gibson/Derek Fisher, Bruce Bowen > Larry Hughes/Luke Walton, as well as a loaded bench, as opposed to two teams with zero bench. Simply replace Manu with Kobe, and Kobe would probably 25-30 ppg on 50% shooting in the same amount of time as Manu.

Manu is simply having a hot start, and it will die down. The other guys mentioned are always just that good.

I'll grant you that. I fully expect Ginobili's numbers to dip a bit once Duncan and Parker's stabilize.

All the same, what he's doing right now, off the bench, is phenomenal.

[ambchang]

It's a lot easier for him to be efficient when you have the greatest PF in NBA history playing with you, as opposed to Kwame Brown or Drew Gooden. Not to mention Parker > Daniel Gibson/Derek Fisher, Bruce Bowen > Larry Hughes/Luke Walton, as well as a loaded bench, as opposed to two teams with zero bench. Simply replace Manu with Kobe, and Kobe would probably 25-30 ppg on 50% shooting in the same amount of time as Manu.

Manu is simply having a hot start, and it will die down. The other guys mentioned are always just that good.

I don't think anybody here thinks Manu > Lebron, Kobe or TMac. He just fits better with this team.

[Holt's Cat]

It's a lot easier for him to be efficient when you have the greatest PF in NBA history playing with you, as opposed to Kwame Brown or Drew Gooden. Not to mention Parker > Daniel Gibson/Derek Fisher, Bruce Bowen > Larry Hughes/Luke Walton, as well as a loaded bench, as opposed to two teams with zero bench. Simply replace Manu with Kobe, and Kobe would probably 25-30 ppg on 50% shooting in the same amount of time as Manu.

Manu is simply having a hot start, and it will die down. The other guys mentioned are always just that good.

Give Manu as many touches as Kobe gets a game and he probably averages 27 a night.

[timmy21_4rings]

Ginobili has a great shot of making the All star team this year. I really hope he does

If Manu plays this level for next two months and does not make All Star Team, I am not watching All Star Game. Hopefully Charles Barkley too!!

[SpurOutofTownFan]

It's a lot easier for him to be efficient when you have the greatest PF in NBA history playing with you, as opposed to Kwame Brown or Drew Gooden. Not to mention Parker > Daniel Gibson/Derek Fisher, Bruce Bowen > Larry Hughes/Luke Walton, as well as a loaded bench, as opposed to two teams with zero bench. Simply replace Manu with Kobe, and Kobe would probably 25-30 ppg on 50% shooting in the same amount of time as Manu.

Manu is simply having a hot start, and it will die down. The other guys mentioned are always just that good.

This is a summary of your overall lack of understanding of basketball. I recommend you to pull the calculator and rethink your post.

[Demo Dick Marcinko]

It's a lot easier for him to be efficient when you have the greatest PF in NBA history playing with you, as opposed to Kwame Brown or Drew Gooden. Not to mention Parker > Daniel Gibson/Derek Fisher, Bruce Bowen > Larry Hughes/Luke Walton, as well as a loaded bench, as opposed to two teams with zero bench. Simply replace Manu with Kobe, and Kobe would probably 25-30 ppg on 50% shooting in the same amount of time as Manu.

Manu is simply having a hot start, and it will die down. The other guys mentioned are always just that good.

Try watching a Spurs game. Manu creates alot of his own opportunities. At times he will not/cannot be denied. He does it a great deal of the time when the second unit is in. Get a clue.

[NuGGeTs-FaN]

So far, having played roughly 1/8 of the season, these are your 20-5-5 players in the league.

Name            GP  MPG  PPG   FGA-FGM  FG%  3P%  FTA-FTM  FT% REB AST STL
LeBron James    10 40.7 29.2 10.3-21.8 .472 .375 7.4-11.0 .673 7.8 8.0 1.8
Kobe Bryant      8 38.0 27.4  9.8-20.6 .473 .333 6.4--7.9 .810 7.4 5.3 1.2
Tracy McGrady    9 35.8 26.8  9.8-20.9 .468 .366 5.6--7.3 .758 5.1 5.1 1.1
Manu Ginobili   10 28.8 20.0  5.7-12.0 .475 .429 6.5--7.8 .833 5.7 5.1 2.3

Don't 4get Melo

25.7/5/5.2

[E20]

It's a lot easier for Terry to be efficient when you have a great PF in the NBA playing with you, as opposed to Kwame Brown or Drew Gooden. Not to mention Harris> Daniel Gibson/Derek Fisher, Josh Howard > Larry Hughes/Luke Walton, as well as a loaded bench, as opposed to two teams with zero bench. Simply replace Terry with Kobe, and Kobe would probably 40-50 ppg on 80% shooting in the same amount of time as Terry.

Terry is simply having a hot start, and it will die down. The other guys mentioned are always just that good.

[exstatic]

I can't read what the ing thread le is.

[timvp]

Even the most hardcore Manu fan couldn't have predicted this good of a start. His play over the first ten games has been nothing short of stunning. I seriously think Manu is playing his role for the Spurs better than anyone in the league could play it.

My question is if this is the best ten game stretch of his career? I know he was a monster in the 2005 playoffs but even then he had some off games mixed in.