Mavericks file protest over loss to Pacers

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Yeah, I agree. I can see how that would be the case.
But, I don't think it's just this one game. AJ seems to be a bit of a hot head, ready to explode at any moment and any situation.

He has been a whiner since he came to Dallas, it's true. I think it's the envirionment. Mark Cuban's lack of class has to seep through to everything. Or maybe it's AJ's wife. She's certainly made some news with her inability to control her mouth or her temper.

[JamStone]

Coaches get mad all the time, but the way AJ was going after that ref in the video was a tad over the top

I would assume that Avery's reaction was more than likely an ac ulation of what he perceived was poor calls against his team.


As for the Devin Harris no and-one, it is at least arguable that Dunleavy fouled him before he made a move to shoot the ball on the first bump before he dribbled the ball one more time. If that's the foul called, it is NOT a shooting foul.

[Warlord23]

File a protest?! Classic Cuban move

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Cuban continues to embarrass himself and all Mavericks fans.

What a this guy is.

"HE WAS INSIDE THE THREE POINT LINE!!! WE WANT THE SCORE CORRECTED NOW!!!"

"Ok...you still lost by three".

Suns continue to not make it out of the Western conference

[boutons_]

Cuban is an embarrassment. an adolescent "dork with money".

[jman3000]

@ swim move.

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I would assume that Avery's reaction was more than likely an ac ulation of what he perceived was poor calls against his team.


As for the Devin Harris no and-one, it is at least arguable that Dunleavy fouled him before he made a move to shoot the ball on the first bump before he dribbled the ball one more time. If that's the foul called, it is NOT a shooting foul.

And just to be redundant, it's not called a "making a move to shoot" foul. There's no "in the act of" if you still have the ball in your hand.

[Armando]

I see the Mavs still have not gotten over Salvatore's calls in the Finals.

[Armando]

I don't think this is about sore loserism so much as it is that Bennett Salvatore is a ty in' ref, and all 30 teams would benefit from him not officiating games anymore. Not that Stern would ever discipline or punish a ref, Crawford-Duncan aside.

Salvatore he really is awful. I rather see Joey Crawford in the game.

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they loss by 4 had aj not been thrown out and got the 2 tech called on him it could have been differnet

[Findog]

I'm sorry, but the reason it's called a "shooting foul" is that you have to actually SHOOT THE GODDAMN BALL.

Ref: *TWEET* Foul! Out on the side.
Player: I was shooting the ball.
Ref: Really? Where's the ball now?
Player: Right here in my hands.
Ref: I thought you said you were shooting the ball.
Player: Well, I was GONNA shoot it. I was running toward the basket and stuff. Doesn't that count?
Ref: Did you actually shoot the ball?
Player: Well, not actually. But I was GONNA.
Ref: *sigh* Do I really have to tell you?
Player: I'll take it out on the side.

IMO it was a good call. Even if it wasn't, in a season where they are making a point of cutting way down on contiuation calls it's not remotely surprising that they'd make that call, especially if the player doesn't have the sense to let go of the ball. The sense of en lement from the Mavericks just staggers me.

And I could have sworn that the three pointer was called by Violet Palmer, NOT Salvatore. I did actually watch the game. The Mavs were seething and never really got past it. They ed about that call during every timeout. I think it contributed to the hard fouls and AJ's ejection. Cuban really only has himself to blame for that loss; it's not surprising that he'd file a protest.

Homer forum. The reason the ball didn't leave Harris' hands is because Murphy hacked the out of him. He was clearly lifting his arms up in a shooting motion. What the do you think he's trying to do there inside the paint on a breakaway when no teammates are near him? We lost because we couldn't stop the Pacers, not because of seething over calls.

Salvatore is the lead ref, is he not? Isn't it on him to correct the 3-point error when the official scorers notify him what's taken place? What's so hard about making an adjustment on a clear error regarding the 3-pointer? Take a point away from Indiana, we still lose. That's not the point. I've been watched NBA games for 20 years and countless times a shooter is incorrectly awarded a three for a long two, and it gets corrected every single time. I've never seen that before, a referee refusing to correct the score after the official scorers have brought the error to his attention. I can just imagine the meltdown here if it had happened to the Spurs in a close game. Just get it right, whether it goes against your team or not.

[Findog]

Well, a loss might make a difference down the road, so I understand why it's important. The Mavs lost by more than that one point, so it didn't matter in the the outcome of the game unless you factor in all those technical and flagrant free throws that resulted later in the game. I really think the Mavs would have had a better chance of winning that game if they'd just let it go, and that was a much bigger factor in the loss.

We lost because our defense sucked and the Pacers got whatever shot they wanted pretty much all night long, not bc of the calls. We had HCA throughout the playoffs last year, it really came in handy.

[Findog]

Mark Followill said it was a flat blown call, that Troy was clearly inside the arc and that Violet just gave the wrong hand signal.

Funny how the integrity of the game only enters Mark Cuban's mind following a loss or a call that goes against him, though.

You fundamentally misunderstand his officiating jihad if you think this is only about calls that go against the Mavericks.

[Findog]

Another interesting thing is that it looks like AJ was ejected but there were no technical fouls called, and therefore no free throws awarded. Anybody know offhand what the rule is regarding that? The NBA should probably make a rule stating that for every fifteen seconds that you don't leave the court after an ejection, a free throw is awarded to the other team.

I thought you said you watched the game:

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...7&postcount=10

You would've known they got FTs if you had watched it.

Kneejerk anti-Cuban forum. This is about Salvatore and how ty he is, not because a couple of bad calls went against the Mavericks. The refs aren't perfect, and every team gets a few bad calls against them in every game. And they played a ty game all-around, this isn't about being cheated out of a W. Our lack of defense contributed far more to the loss than the techs and not getting the continuation on the Harris breakaway. There have been thousands of times where a shooter erroneously gets credited with a three when he made a long two, and it will be retroactively corrected by the official scorers after consultation with the officials. WTF is Salvatore's problem?

He's one of the worst refs in the league, it boggles the mind that he's allowed to work games deep into the playoffs.

[Findog]

If Devin Harris would have shot the ball instead of accentuating the flop, he not only would have gone to the line he probably also makes the basket.

Yeah he should have gone to the line but some of the blame goes to the unnecessary floppage.

His arm is going up in a shooting motion when Dunmurphy hacks the out of him and doesn't allow the ball to leave his hands. There's no way he's getting an And-1 there, because the defender made sure the ball wasn't going anywhere near the hoop. He should've gotten continuation. Yes, Devin is a noted flopper, but that doesn't really apply here.

Again, this isn't about seething over bad calls in a game you lost. Salvatore is a detriment to every game he officiates. That to me is the bigger issue.

[Findog]

Cuban continues to embarrass himself and all Mavericks fans.

What a this guy is.

"HE WAS INSIDE THE THREE POINT LINE!!! WE WANT THE SCORE CORRECTED NOW!!!"

"Ok...you still lost by three".

And you continue to JUST.NOT.GET.IT.

I would think a true Suns fan would appreciate how awful Salvatore is. Unless you want to argue that the Suns weren't trying to call timeout and Odom and Walton didn't rape Nash repeatedly while Salvatore just stood there with his hands in his pants.

Friday night, the Mavs got screwed. Before that it was the Suns. Before that it was the Knicks. This guy is just not an NBA caliber ref. Period.

[Armando]

And you continue to JUST.NOT.GET.IT.

I would think a true Suns fan would appreciate how awful Salvatore is. Unless you want to argue that the Suns weren't trying to call timeout and Odom and Walton didn't rape Nash repeatedly while Salvatore just stood there with his hands in his pants.

Friday night, the Mavs got screwed. Before that it was the Suns. Before that it was the Knicks. This guy is just not an NBA caliber ref. Period.

Yes Salvatore is awful but Cuban would have been better served handling this in private. Why antagonize Stern and the refs in public? Chances are Stern won't do anything to Salvatore and he will continue to work Mavs games.

[Findog]

Yes Salvatore is awful but Cuban would have been better served handling this in private. Why antagonize Stern and the refs in public? Chances are Stern won't do anything to Salvatore and he will continue to work Mavs games.

If filing an official protest over clearly wrong calls antagonizes Stern and the refs, then what the can you do? I can't stand that mindset, that if you have the temerity to question a call, you're "showing them up" and "calling them out." Salvatore didn't do his job properly,and he doesn't have a leg to stand on here. Teams "handle stuff in private" all the time. They send tapes to the League office asking for clarification on points of emphasis and so forth.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

I disagree with the talk of no benefit to filing a protest with the league.

The Tampa Bay Bucs filed a protest with the NFL over a challenge rule and ended up getting vindication (no change in result, but it does make note of it and probably affects future rule enforcement).

[picnroll]

Still waiting for Cuban to about a ref where the Mavs benefited from a blown. I remember a couple of years ago a real bad call on a Stoudemire block at the end that won the Mavs the game and Cuban coming off the court with a great big eating grin on his face.

[Findog]

Still waiting for Cuban to about a ref where the Mavs benefited from a blown. I remember a couple of years ago a real bad call on a Stoudemire block at the end that won the Mavs the game and Cuban coming off the court with a great big eating grin on his face.

RTFA:

"We didn't protest any other calls, but we certainly questioned quite a few that went for us and against us," Cuban said.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

And where are these fans saying protests don't do anything when any other team files them?

[mavsfan1000]

I see the Mavs still have not gotten over Salvatore's calls in the Finals.

It would have been unnoticed if Salvatore didn't screw up so much again. He is a flat out horrible ref.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

I see the Mavs still have not gotten over Salvatore's calls in the Finals.

I don't know you, so I'm not sure what your particular reaction has been, but a Suns fan complaining about Mavs fans bringing up old wounds is pretty hilarious and hypocritical.

[Armando]

I don't know you, so I'm not sure what your particular reaction has been, but a Suns fan complaining about Mavs fans bringing up old wounds is pretty hilarious and hypocritical.

I won't lie that series in the playoffs was a bitter pill to swallow especially Game 3. But what is done is done. The Suns had the lead late in Game 5 and could not hold on.