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clearly not.. I would say: a first round of NBA Playoffs (Eastern Conference) and a Final Four are equal in term of achievement
maniac are you talking about Europe and NBA on equal standards?
I mean the european champion and MVP is the same as an NBA champ and MVP?
clearly not.. I would say: a first round of NBA Playoffs (Eastern Conference) and a Final Four are equal in term of achievement
no I'm not, but I consider an Olympic gold medal a bigger achievement than a Finals MVP. I definitely consider an NBA regular season MVP to be of more importance than a European MVP. Still, in Manu's case, the sheer number of accolades in FIBA play have to put him up there among the greatest international players out there. In terms of OVERALL accomplishments, I firmly believe Manu has Dirk beat, and Parker isn't even close.
uhh ???
Half of the NBA teams are in playoff, only the four best Euro teams are in the final four...
Euroleague is very hard, even if the overall NBA level is higher, because of the numerous teams in there, the fact there are also the domestic leagues, and the fact they don't compete on a several games series as in NBA playoff.
So even if the level of play is lower, an euroleague le is IMO equal of a conf champion in term of achievement.
That said here's the way I do rank les :
Olympics
World Championship
NBA
Euroleague
European championship
I agree even if Manu has a way better cast in NT than Dirk (Germany definitively sucks when we're talking about BB) so he can't win anything with it. Moreover, he left early Europe while Manu were playing in the best Euro team of that time.
In fact the point that I agree the most is that both of them are way over tony right now, even if 25yo TP is ahead of 25yo Dirk and 25yo Manu.
Ok so you clearly underestimate NBA there
For ANY basketball player, a NBA le is the greatest achievement (Manu might said the contrary when he led his country to Olympic Gold but he was not telling the truth)
Therefore, here's my ranking:
- NBA
- Olympics
- World Championship
- Euroleague
- European Championship
C'mon now...I like Tony but he's not even the best international player on his own team.
Manu Ginobili is a beast.
1. Hakeem
2. Manu
3. Parker
4. Dirk
5. Petrovich
Without a doubt, Manu is the greatest international player ever. Olympics golden medelist, nba champions, europ league champion, no one is close to him.
If you cannot see it, I have to say you are a MOH!
Do everyone a favor and go check Hakeem's resume please!?Without a doubt, Manu is the greatest international player ever. Olympics golden medelist, nba champions, europ league champion, no one is close to him.
If you cannot see it, I have to say you are a MOH!
You're hurting your own cause bro
idk, I feel the modern NBA Championship supercedes any FIBA compe ion because it has the best players on the planet (moreso than even the Olympics or World Championships) competing for a le. The best players migrate to the NBA. The best players do not always compete for the Olympics or World Championships. I think both of these compe ions have been regulated to 'B' status by even the Euroleague players. In fact, I would rate Euroleague above Olympics or World Championships in terms of importance.
that's something i appreciate about you.. it's quite clear you're a huge fan of Manu and you're sometimes a bit biased when you talk about him (just like any other fan) but you're trying to stay as objective as possible... that's appreciated
In 1996, Olajuwon assisted in the gold medal-winning performance of the United States national team.
Same as Duncan, I don't think Hakeem can be seen as a pure international player!
Obviously we are talking from year 1992. So there was no BB before.
Ignorance at its best possible performance.
Anyway, one must take in account that in time of Petrovic and Kukoc those players didn’t have the same time to present their capabilities.
1. Petrovic
2. Kukoc
3. Dirk
4. Divac
5. Manu
6. TP
I guess you are an european!
If you think those players are better than Manu, please give evidence to prove your point!
you have to be from the Balkans
Good for you... Petrovic was possibly the most gifted of all but he died too young Divas was great but he is not even in the top 10 (Parker, Nash, Hakeem, Sabonis, Ming...)
That's why it's hard to win, iy's not just a single tournament, you have to qualify first, and then win the championship. Plus you don't choose your country, if the coach doesn'tfit you, or your teammates, you can't switch to an other country.
Parker has never played the Olympics (last shot in 2012 ?) or a world championship despite being a final MVP, 3 times NBA champion. Look at US national teams over the last years who can't win those tournaments too (I know I know, Timmy said it, FIBA sucks) despite having the best cast on paper.
Just don't put Drazen and TP in same sentence. Thanks.
1. Hakeem
2. Petrovic
3. Manu
4. Dirk
5. Parker
Sarunas Marciulionis also got serious consideration for my list. He was the first Euro guard (1989) to succeed in the NBA, twice being runner up for the 6th man award while playing for Nellie in GS. In the end, though, he wasn't as talented as Petrovic or as successful as Manu and Parker. Nash is a one way player, so he didn't make the five, either. Sorry, that's the way I roll. Kukoc was left off for the same reason.
Why not? You just did.
woh... what's up with TP?
Main reason why NBA has the best players in the planet is because of the paychecks they get. Otherwise, it would be just in par with Europe. NBA has the luxury of being able to do this. It's like the soccer Italian or Spanish league that pay the best salaries so they have the most compe ive leagues.
Having said all of this, winning a Gold medal in the Olympics must be the hardest thing to accomplish. You have very few games and you have to win them all to reach the finals. If you make a mistake you mostly don't have a second chance to fix it. NBA finals still give you a chance to make amends and in fact games are usually won after coaches' adjustments.
Olympics is definitely over the NBA in prestige and difficulty (played only every 4 years and I would love to hear what Jordan has to say about it). And Manu is the only player ever to have won a piece of each big tournament on the planet. I consider him over everyone else in that category; however, Hakeem is above others NBA-wise.
Drazen was a bit before my time I have to admit. I had heard of him, but never seen him play really. Having said that, accomplishments wise, he doesn't hold a candle to Hakeem, or even Manu for that matter.
Drazen Petrovic may have been the best pure shooter in the history of basketball on the planet earth.
1. Hakeem
2. Manu (check his international records. Led his team to Olympic Gold Medal, MVP in Euro/Spanish League in addition to his NBA achievements.
3. Dirk
4. Parker/Nash..Nash is way overrated. While Parker's MVP is fluke. I am not sure Nash is better than Parker.
If Manu retires today, he will goto HOF based on his achievements (more specifically for the role he played in these achievements). He is a winner and has won everywhere he has gone. That is why I ranked him 2nd. For others HOF is still distinct.
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