Dirk Reigning League MVP...Hakeem...2 time NBA Champion, Steve Nash, Double League MVP, Manu 3 times NBA Champions, Tony parker 3 times nba Champion and finals mvp...how would you rank these players based on their abilites and impact on their team?
My only question was how to rank Manu and Parker.
Manu was a close choice for co-MVP in '05, the vote was 6-4 for Duncan.
Hardware wise, Parker is a Finals MVP above all of them.
So I'd go like this:
Parker
Manu
Hakeem
Nash
Dirk
But I could switch Parker and Manu and be happy too.
You need to specify a little more bro. I mean, if we're talking international les, Manu has so many more than any of those that its not even close. On the other hand, no one in their right mind would choose any of those over Hakeem if we're talking more talented player of them all. Plus, some people seem to think Duncan is an international player, so...
SO, are we talking best international player based on NBA accomplishments? are we talking about ALL international accomplishments? are we talking about overall skills? what?
Oh...I guess Duncan isn't considered international?
The minute Duncan is on any "not American" list, the conversation is over.
1/ Hakeem
2/ Parker
3/ Manu
4/ Nash
5/ Dirk
I don't know why I don't put Hakeem first.
I was a fan in his day, watched plenty of him.
I know how great he was.
For some reason he doesn't make my number one.
Maybe because the rest of your list are active players so it seems fresher, more currrent.
you're just a huge spurs fan !!
True, but if we're being honest...
Duncan fan.
Then Spurs fan.
Of course, the two are permanently tied together so it works out well for me.
here are my lists:
Skill wise:
1. Hakeem
2. Dirk
3. Nash
4. Manu
5. Parker
Heart wise:
1. Hakeem
2. Manu
3. Parker
4. Nash
5. Dirk
Personal accomplishments in the NBA:
1. Hakeem
2. Nash
3. Dirk
4. Parker
5. Manu
Personal OVERALL accomplishments:
1. Hakeem
2. Manu
3. Nash
4. Dirk
5. Parker
Disclaimer: When I say overall I mean everywhere, throughout their careers, be it FIBA or NBA.
Last edited by MaNuMaNiAc; 12-02-2007 at 09:20 AM.
am speaking on accomplishments in the NBA...not international ball...if then i guess Manu would have ot be near the top of the list
Nice way to break it down.
Now I have to re-think my list this way.
On second thought, Hakeem should be on top of the overall accomplishments really.
Hakeem no contest.
Overall accomplishments:
1/ Hakeem (2 NBA les, several allstar selections, one of the greatest center ever)
2/ Parker (3 NBA les, 1 MVP Finals, still 25...)
3/ Manu (3 NBA les, 1 sixth man award.... in process)
4/ Nash (2 times MVP, several allsta selections... a great PG but has never played in the NBA Finals)
5/ Dirk (on time MVP, several allstar selection... he led his team to the NBA finals but...... 2007 Golden State)
6/ Mutombo (several times DPOY, one NBA Finals with the Sixers, one of the greatest defensive player out of Georgetown)
7/ Kukoc (3 NBA les, 1 sixth man award, a great shooter)
8/ Drazen Petrovic (no all star, no le but possibly the more gifted of all)
9/ Yao Ming (several all star selections, a dominant force in the paint who fails year after year when Playoffs come)
10/ Sabonis (too bad he didn't enter the league during his prime, Jordan or Isiah would have one less ring)
What's overall? You're talking NBA, overall. Parker isn't even close to Manu or Hakeem overall.
hakeem is #1. and its not even close
that is messed up. no way hakeem gets ranked below parker and manu
How is this even a contest?
I'm a Spurs fan, but Hakeem was NBA MVP, 2-Time NBA Champion, 2-Time NBA Finals MVP, 2-Time Defensive POY, one of the fifty greatest NBA Players of all time, 12-Time All Star, Olympic Gold medalist. It's not even a close.
i'm talking NBA... not FIBA...
Well, that's not overall all now, is it? NBA I agree that Parker is above Manu in accomplishments, but above Dirk and Nash? Sorry, no dice.
Hakeem is US citizen, gold medalist with the US team in 1996 Olympic games, and learn BB at the University of Houston.
IMO you can't consider him as an international player...
yeah that's not overall then.. sorry, my english sucks
btw IMO both manu and tony are above Dirk and Nash because of what they'v acheived during the playoffs (Nash never played NBA Finals, Dirk... well.... let's say "Golden State"....)
Why not? He was born in and spent his formative years (up to age 18) in Nigeria. Even now, he spends most of his time in Jordan, doing Islamic studies.
agreed, hakeem is still best overall. the question is to what point does hakeem qualify, when he really learned the game in the US (i believe he came at HS age?) and represented the US internationally. basically the same case as duncan, and if duncan is considered as well, it immediately becomes hakeem vs duncan, or in other words, too close to call, unless timmy continues as expected, in which case he would be #1. also, if parker continues improving, he may well eclipse everyone on the list
also, i would fit sabonis somewhere in those lists, skill wise i'd take him over dirk any day, and as a big, coordinated, smart center i might take him over nash too. his nba accomplishments are basically 0 but he had some international success and like i said skill wise may have been the best outside of hakeem and duncan
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