The best statement - Terry

[whottt]

what the ? these guys arent invincible. what makes anyone think parker was faking being hurt when he went down??? looked like a hard foul/fall to me.

What pego says is the truth...



And Parker never flops or fakes fouls, that's part of the reason he doesn't get the calls often. He doesn't even accentuate the fouls.

If Tony seems to be hurt, he's hurt. And if he seems to have been fouled, he was fouled. Often he was fouled when it doesn't even look like he was fouled.


He needs to add the faking, accentuating and flopping stuff to his game, but he hasn't yet.

[SpurOutofTownFan]

What pego says is the truth...



And Parker never flops or fakes fouls, that's part of the reason he doesn't get the calls often. He doesn't even accentuate the fouls.

If Tony seems to be hurt, he's hurt. And if he seems to have been fouled, he was fouled. Often he was fouled when it doesn't even look like he was fouled.


He needs to add the faking, accentuating and flopping stuff to his game, but he hasn't yet.

I agree, TP is not known for doing that.

[LEONARD]

I need an objective Spurs fan opinion. When Tony Parker got the clear path foul: did you really think it was a hard enough foul to send Parker sprawling and rolling around and then acting like he was injured only to get up and be fine? And then Brent Barry to come over and shove Terry away when he was checking on him? To me, and yes I'm a Mavs fan but I can be objective, it looked like Parker smartly went more into Terry to initiate contact, which he should. Then of course Terry makes contact and Parker goes sprawling like Terry took a cheap shot. I thought Parker did what he should do to get the foul on a breakaway. However, I did not think it was a clear path because Terry appeared to be ahead of him. But, was it really necessary for the drama of pretending to be injured? Thats all I'm asking. I thought there was rough play on both sides. Manu threw a good elbow on the play when he got the "shooting foul" and the technical foul. It was happening both ways. Please, let someone objective answer.

Even as a Spurs fan, I have to say that was a flop, acting job, and not a clear path foul...

but he's French...what do you expect??

[TheAuthority]

I need an objective Spurs fan opinion. When Tony Parker got the clear path foul: did you really think it was a hard enough foul to send Parker sprawling and rolling around and then acting like he was injured only to get up and be fine? And then Brent Barry to come over and shove Terry away when he was checking on him? To me, and yes I'm a Mavs fan but I can be objective, it looked like Parker smartly went more into Terry to initiate contact, which he should. Then of course Terry makes contact and Parker goes sprawling like Terry took a cheap shot. I thought Parker did what he should do to get the foul on a breakaway. However, I did not think it was a clear path because Terry appeared to be ahead of him. But, was it really necessary for the drama of pretending to be injured? Thats all I'm asking. I thought there was rough play on both sides. Manu threw a good elbow on the play when he got the "shooting foul" and the technical foul. It was happening both ways. Please, let someone objective answer.

Parker always flails around. It kind of annoys me, and I'm a Spurs fan. That said, Parker doesn't get half the calls he should. Maybe because he overexaggerates everything? I don't know.

I thought the Manu foul was called correctly.

[spursfan09]

Parker doesn't flail around. He usually takes it to the hole gets knocked down, but gets right back up as to say: "You can knock me down and try to scare me, but I'm gonna keep driving all game long." He is not known for flopping.

[Budkin]

Where's Stackhouse shooting his mouth off now?

[FromWayDowntown]

Parker always flails around. It kind of annoys me, and I'm a Spurs fan. That said, Parker doesn't get half the calls he should. Maybe because he overexaggerates everything? I don't know.

I thought the Manu foul was called correctly.

I disagree about Parker being a flailer. He ends up on the floor a lot, but he takes a lot of contact for a guy his size, too. I haven't seen a replay of the Parker/Terry incident, but in real time, it appeared that Parker had a lead, pushed the ball to the rim, where Terry made contact intending to deny a layup and then added a little push at the end to ensure that Parker couldn't get off a shot. I thought, in the moment, that a clear path foul was a bad call, but didn't understand why it wasn't called a flagrant 1 or a technical.

I was surprised that the Terry/Manu incident was called a technical, but rationalized that decision by my understanding that the personal foul was on Howard and that after the foul chippiness couldn't be an additional personal foul, thus the technical. I don't discount the possibility, though, that Salvatore and his crew chose not to assess flagrant fouls because of the history between Cuban and Salvatore.

Does any other team with a dominant big man and two of the best penetrators in the league see as many games where the opponents will get 10+ more free throws AT HOME?

The 4th quarter differentials last night were pretty remarkable.

The Spurs shot 10-20 from the floor and 1-2 from the line.

The Mavericks shot 7-17 from the floor and 14-17 from the line.

[BonnerDynasty]

I need an objective Spurs fan opinion. When Tony Parker got the clear path foul: did you really think it was a hard enough foul to send Parker sprawling and rolling around and then acting like he was injured only to get up and be fine? And then Brent Barry to come over and shove Terry away when he was checking on him? To me, and yes I'm a Mavs fan but I can be objective, it looked like Parker smartly went more into Terry to initiate contact, which he should. Then of course Terry makes contact and Parker goes sprawling like Terry took a cheap shot. I thought Parker did what he should do to get the foul on a breakaway. However, I did not think it was a clear path because Terry appeared to be ahead of him. But, was it really necessary for the drama of pretending to be injured? Thats all I'm asking. I thought there was rough play on both sides. Manu threw a good elbow on the play when he got the "shooting foul" and the technical foul. It was happening both ways. Please, let someone objective answer.

I thought Parker was just going full blast and the momentum caused him to roll. Terry got shoved because he just needed to walk away. The rivalry is at a point where no one is there to make friends.

[howbouthemspurs]

You can throw a van full of Hillary Clinton midget impersonators who are all on their periods, and a chimp that looks like damon staudamire at him and he will still come at you smiling!

[spursfan09]

I thought Parker was just going full blast and the momentum caused him to roll. Terry got shoved because he just needed to walk away. The rivalry is at a point where no one is there to make friends.

I agree! I could feel how much they hate eachother being in the same arena.

[GSH]

Heh...Parker was in foul trouble. Maybe he just felt like he had to make sure it wasn't called a charge? There was no play on the ball, and it was enough for a flagrant 1. Nothing like a flagrant 2.

As for the Barry push? Tim was on the bench, and Manu is tying his shoes with his...well with one hand. Then he saw the Silver Streak take an unnecessary bump while he was defenseless. I'm sure he was wondering if there was going to be anyone left to make HEB commercials with.

After a flagrant, it isn't a good idea to look like you're hovering over the guy you fouled. When Tim got hurt the other night, the guy hovered over him for way too long. Finley shoved him out of the way at the expense of a FT also. And I was glad he did.

[SAGambler]

Even as a Spurs fan, I have to say that was a flop, acting job, and not a clear path foul...

but he's French...what do you expect??

Probably wasn't a clear path foul, but probably the other option was a flagrant, since the defender didn't even pretend to go for the ball, so they called the lesser of the two they could have called. But I think that also gave Terry the balls to grab and pull down later, where he actually was hit with a flagrant. If they had hit him the first time, the second one would never have happened.

[SAGambler]

I disagree about Parker being a flailer. He ends up on the floor a lot, but he takes a lot of contact for a guy his size, too. I haven't seen a replay of the Parker/Terry incident, but in real time, it appeared that Parker had a lead, pushed the ball to the rim, where Terry made contact intending to deny a layup and then added a little push at the end to ensure that Parker couldn't get off a shot. I thought, in the moment, that a clear path foul was a bad call, but didn't understand why it wasn't called a flagrant 1 or a technical.

I was surprised that the Terry/Manu incident was called a technical, but rationalized that decision by my understanding that the personal foul was on Howard and that after the foul chippiness couldn't be an additional personal foul, thus the technical. I don't discount the possibility, though, that Salvatore and his crew chose not to assess flagrant fouls because of the history between Cuban and Salvatore.



The 4th quarter differentials last night were pretty remarkable.

The Spurs shot 10-20 from the floor and 1-2 from the line.

The Mavericks shot 7-17 from the floor and 14-17 from the line.

I can't believe how many times Parker and Manu should have had an and 1, but it wasn't called, and the "The Choker throws up a ball, someone breathes on him a little hard, and he is on the way to the free throw line. It gets sickening after a few times of how the refs call constantly in favor of the Mavs when these two teams meet.

Like the second foul on Tony. Harris was still moving his feet, and inside the arc, and Tony gets whistled for a charge. Splain that one, if you can.

[FromWayDowntown]

Even as a Spurs fan

[LilMissSPURfect]

no intension on terrys part on playing the ball = flagrant = asshole

[ancestron]

no intension on terrys part on playing the ball = flagrant = asshole

Nicely put

[AnotherArgie]

Never forgot that Parker (or Manu) comes from a country where soccer is THE major sport. In soccer flopping and acting is an art.

Manu hates soccer.

[greens]

And then Brent Barry to come over and shove Terry away when he was checking on him?

It was actually Manu, not Barry, who shoved Terry out of the way...And I think it has to do with the fact that Terry was giving cheap shots to both Manu and Parker the whole game...There were a couple of instances especially later on when Terry gave unnecessary shoves/pushes during the game to Manu, and it had sent him to the floor...there was actually a scary instance later on...where he tagged at Manu's arm and sent him flying down...

So I think Manu was trying to look after Tony...I think he was just worried about Tony's safety...You even saw Manu telling Terry "don't touch me..." later on...

[debo]

LB7 you are truly one of the few "fans of the game", even though dallas is your team

[TheAuthority]

I disagree about Parker being a flailer. He ends up on the floor a lot, but he takes a lot of contact for a guy his size, too.

Really? Apparently you haven't seen all of the plays where he doesn't even get touched by anyone after a layup, yet still somehow ends up on the ground. Not only on the ground, but kicking his legs into the air. This happens regularly. It isn't a "every once in awhile" thing. Sometimes it is accompanied by a Vince Carter-like "heeeeeeeeeyyyy".

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

It was actually Manu, not Barry, who shoved Terry out of the way...And I think it has to do with the fact that Terry was giving cheap shots to both Manu and Parker the whole game...There were a couple of instances especially later on when Terry gave unnecessary shoves/pushes during the game to Manu, and it had sent him to the floor...there was actually a scary instance later on...where he tagged at Manu's arm and sent him flying down...

So I think Manu was trying to look after Tony...I think he was just worried about Tony's safety...You even saw Manu telling Terry "don't touch me..." later on...

yeah, Terry was hovering over Tony in half assed manner to check on his "well-being", being all phony,
and looked like Manu got him out of the way to really check on Tony.
(He really hates the Mavericks )
I think he felt like Terry's act for the refs was bull , for the sake of Tony's safety, kind of like how Lebron looks after his teammates. When Terry's the guy responsible for that unnecessary fall in the first place.

Tony didn't exaggerate. He was going full blast to the basket and Terry played chicken with him, and caused Tony to take a crazy spill.
It's the same kind of Mavericks play where (Stackhouse?) bowled over Shaq in the finals.

[greens]

yeah, Terry was hovering over Tony in half assed manner to check on his "well-being", being all phony,
and looked like Manu got him out of the way to really check on Tony.
(He really hates the Mavericks )
I think he felt like Terry's act for the refs was bull , for the sake of Tony's safety, kind of like how Lebron looks after his teammates. When Terry's the guy responsible for that unnecessary fall in the first place.

Tony didn't exaggerate. He was going full blast to the basket and Terry played chicken with him, and caused Tony to take a crazy spill.
It's the same kind of Mavericks play where (Stackhouse?) bowled over Shaq in the finals.

Yup, I also feel that Tony was not exaggerating at all...he was definitely going at full speed...and Terry shoved him...anyone going at that kind of speed would fall down that hard...

Also add that up to Tony's ankle sprain that he had for a week, as this article mentions:
http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=82923

And I think this is also what made Manu mad because later on in the game, he didn't want Terry anywhere near him. Ever heard of Manu telling another player "don't touch me..."? As Terry "tried to help" him up, Manu was just like get away...

So I think Terry's BS was definitely shown throughout the game...even if he comes up with "respectful" quotes...I don't think he means them at all...Remember when he punched Finley in 2006, and then he later said he didn't do it, even though the video clearly showed it all on all the tv channels! So I think his "niceness" is an act when it happens...that is.